Think of it as a one time grenade that hit's at 15s and puts a -6 if it's contested. Damage 12 it's a bit lower but it's still close to a 50% chance of bypasing IL or IM Armor. It's not a nuke but it may be enough to make a difference. I'm fine with it Ok, my mistake, just pheasant and luna at BS21
I am sorry that happened to you. Your play group sounds pretty chill and I hope you continue to have fun. Yeah, I really want CB to do better. At least so I don't feel bad helping people get better at a game whose creators I don't trust anymore. I am really hoping those unrevealed profiles are the secret sauce that we are missing. That and/or a complete rework of the old core profiles. So MMX drops down to burst 1 to allow you to ignore both the hit penalty and armor bonus of cover on top of the +6? Tac sense looks pretty good, worth the +3 points it seems to command. But yeah, the devil is in the details. Hopefully those new skills aren't on profiles nobody wants to use.
Oh, didn't realize it was a -6. Is that confirmed? In that case it's pretty good, imo. It's basically an almost free DAM12 hit. If I'm gonna assassinate an obvious LT, I'd rather blast him with that AND shotgun him rather than just drop somewhere else (which may or may not be possible) and blast him with a shotgun.
Feels like it's MM2.1, maybe? But without shock added in. I guess it's going to just be the BS MOD that's ignored, but I guess it's target-dependent, rather than profile-dependant (seeing as it looks most likely to go on a platform that will automatically hit anything with camo or less, with either Stun or DA, depending on the target's defenses.) Although, stun on Damage 15 looks tasty...
Thanks, @Mc_Clane , I think the MMSLX is the biggest game changer in there. (Does Daoying sniper possibly have this?) Also noting that the extremely expensive and SWC intensive YanHuo Haris can be made fairly cheap through use of Panggolin. Speaking of, did they mention which Pango was the FTO?
Great way to start your post All of this is very nice, thank you for sharing (although maybe next time you could be less antagonistic for no good reason!) Lots of Wildcards, Tactical Sense and LT2 is very nice, as that should make listbuilding reasonably flexible, which IA will definitely need to be decent - so that's promising. Yan Huo Haris will be...interesting. Will need to see exactly what it can include, but should still be a funny option. I highly doubt the HRMC will be able to link, but the MHMG will have a decent home, as would the non-Neuro 2ML. With the Shang Ji getting a lot of flexibility, I'm holding out hope for some other changes to the core of the profile. It seriously needs a reevaluation of other aspects to really make it a key piece, but Tactical Sense and Wildcard are certainly very nice. Yay for HI Engineers! I wonder if it's actually HI, or if it's another 1W+NWI. Probably the only crap thing you mentioned. D12 N is crap; the only saving grace might be its interaction with the ARO/F2F system and whether it might be able to drop on an HD Hack Transport Aircraft user without risk (or being shot, anyway). If ELX can be Dodged or F2F'd, then it's pretty much a turd of an ability - at least it doesn't cost much, apparently, and it does have the better part of 2W.
Alright, that makes sense. I'm more concerned if they just dodge, though. We'll need to see if that becomes a F2F and if it places on any negative modifiers to the person dodging.
And still MO feels like a more interesting and flexible take on a HI force, and with pretty and funny TAGs.
I dunno. I'm hesitant to be optimistic, given CBs current track record for Yu Jing, but the flexibility of IA links should give us some good versatility in creating lists. As long as we get some good Hacking/anti-Hacking stuff beyond just 'TinBot B/Reboot and pray' such as KHDs, then I think IA should be serviceable. But I genuinely hope it's fun and has enough tools to have a fighting chance.
Tinbot B plus fairy dust means even interventors are hacking at effective 6 WIP. That's seems pretty damn good to me.
Santiago Wildcard KHD + Tinbot. Bet IA doesn't get anything like that, but hey, we get Explode, showing we are the HI faction on top of being the CC faction.
It could be; I have no table time with that in a 5-strong link, so I don't know how it actually feels in actual play. BTS 6/-9 MOD on Zuyong is definitely tasty sounding, so hopefully it's actually that good. There are ways around it, such as EM-ing and breaking up Fireteams in general, and it shouldn't be foolproof of course - just that as an almost purely HI Sectorial Hacking is a major weakness that can be exploited if we don't invest heavily in defence. Honestly, I'm not sure how confident I should feel. After the podcast information, it seems like there could be some nice stuff between Zuyong and Shang Ji Tinbots and EVO/Fairy Dust; I do hope I don't have to bring a Zhanshi for a regular HD!
As someone who runs heavy hacking frequently, -9 WIP means I'm generally not going to even bother wasting orders, and in ARO I'm burst 1. So if you REALLY need to make sure you tank it, reset (with a respectable wip13). Otherwise I'm comfortable just tanking it, especially with a Eng in the fireteam who can un-isolate.
Well, if you're getting Hacking AROs without the Hackers themselves being exposed, there's no reason not to ARO, right? That's still a concern - random Hacking AROs just chipping away and looking for the 10-15% chance to Oblivion the Fireteam Leader/Tinbot Bearer while your Fireteam either has to avoid a Repeater-strewn avenue entirely or risk that chance just happening. I do believe you, I'd just be concerned that Hacking can be done with relative impunity with only mild effort, even if the Hacking chances are low those dice are still being rolled. What's the phrase? Puncher's chance? Can't score if you don't take any shots?
I can confirm from playing a few games in ISS with a zahnying hacker inside a core link of Wu ming with tinbot that enemy attempts to hack such links are close to futile, even for the likes of CA. Actually having a HI hacker (of any type) who can benefit from fairy dust as well makes the whole hacking game very one-sided in our favour. What will you want from a regular hacking device that an Evo can't also provide? Also, the presence of linkable combinations of Tinbots with hackers may see IA bring the AHD back into the game since all the mods we're talking about apply just as well to an AHD HI who would (although they can kill enemy hackers) prove pretty effective against most threats.
Looks like we just solved our Order problems. Feeling good with these reveals, still waiting for a KHD platform cheaper than Hac Tao. Having Zhanshi+Zuyong char+Panguillang opens up a lot for points for nasty suprises, be they Zhencha in the midfield, or Liu Xings. Or we could just go Zuyong core with wildcards, pretty good beatstick HI linkteam.
