It might be a typo for the Montessa. Even Carlos said he's Mechanized Infantry when he talked about him. TAGs, which he is next to both in Varuna and new MO, lists is Mechanized Infantry.
Still riding that uprising hate to justify being dick I see. I think the profiles are interesting and might play in ways that the armchair generals who are too busy calculating the point cost differences to notice. They're not blow your socks off OMG must take, but who cares except for a bunch of people who think CB owes them something.
Guys please just stop. Lets move on. Someone just ignore and now lets talk about the ones we haven't seen and how to use the ones we have.
How I would play Zencha. Check opponent can't take Dart. They can? Pick the other list. They can't? Okay. Find a roof you can hide in. Not too far forward, 50cm line aat most. Put him there. Cover him with ARO lanes. Whenever the field is sorta clean of enemies and you have sent your local warcor (or his lead vodoo doll you use in your games) to go die and/or get maimed cleaning all the mines, zencha climbs down and ideally presses the console, takes a picture off of a corpse, puts a Dick Charge, blows one off and whatever other Main or Secondary Objective you need him for. Liu Xing or whatever There's three ways. Put in list. Put EVO in list ????? Profit Or Play him like a BS13 Fractaa Or Don't put in list. After your opponent has deployed and at regular intervals during your turn take out the round template and start walking around the table feigning to look closely at a concentration of enemy troopers or another juicy target.
This is obviously wishful thinking, but how would you guys make this traitor into a Hulang? We won’t ever get ODD, but Mimetism is fine. Same stats? Maybe 13 BS and less CC? Dual wield seems like too much but SO and Climbing +/Super Jump would be so rad. How about the load out? Shotgun/Multi/Combi? Please no SMG lol. Edit: and smoke grenades for those sweet Rui Shis...
1. Make sure you check the time stamp on rulings and see if there's been a change: http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/topic/42763-dodge-plus-explode/#comment-808599 3) If the Zhencha is going against the normal crop of camo mines he's looking at 10 PH (-3 Mod to PH thanks to camo) to dodge them so a 50% chance. A Zhencha hopes he makes it cause there goes his glorified HI ass if not.
I just realized that in the placement of him, he could be Mechanized Troop like the change to the Montessa. TAGs are in the list as Mechanized, followed by Skirmish, Warband, Support. So what I hope for the Hulang is Veteran or Elite Heavy Infantry Bike Move 8-4/4-4, CC23, BS13, PH13, WIP13, ARM4, BTS3, W2, Size 4/2 Assault, Martial Arts L3 OR Natural Born Warrior, Smoke Grenade launcher, Contender, Grenades, Assault Pistol, DA CCW Smoke Grenade launcher, Chain Rifle, Grenades, Heavy PIstol EXP CCW Smoke Grenade launcher, Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, DA CCW
I wouldn't. Unfortunately Zhencha didn't turn out to be Master Sergeant but the Hulang could be our Wuxia, if the hint dropped by a well known warcor was indeed from a warcor under NDA. ("Will make MO cry" or something like that) As has been proven, wishlisting and self-hyping is ill adviced, so I'll settle for one single item: smoke grenades. It's not necessarily what the faction needs, but 2 out of 6 new units has turned out to be lacking in the visibility control items and the sectorial might struggle with handling massed or quality marker states. I would caution regarding ODD that true ODD might be out of reach for Yu Jing, but it's further out of reach for JSA and what they're using is (or was before PanO started supplying them) re-purposed TO camo and that certainly is part of our tech tree, so ODD is not something to rule put completely.
Well the Zhencha isn't causing a wow moment and the pricing seems off. There might actually be faint hope he is missing either Shock or Bioimmunity. Still C+ with a Marker State is quite something. Next to Dart he isn't knocking my socks off, but he does have real Infiltration and the rare combination of Infiltration+BSG+Specialist. Mines+D.E.P.+SMG is more than a budget alternative here as well. BSG+AHD is a rather big questionmark to me. HI AHDs often turn out better than average for AHDs, but not being Shock immune means Trinity is twice as good against him, increasing the value of KHDs against him significantly. If he was Shock immune, NWI itself is always nice for Hackers these days as it throws a spanner in the works of Maestro which is pretty common against Aleph and CA. Probably best to avoid the Hacker outside of very specific Missions. As the probably only Skirmisher I'll gladly take one sometimes - even at a steep price and without 2 real Wounds. Liu Xing looks disappointing at first and I'd recommend to look straight past Explode LX here. With that pricetag and being hackable, I'm not gonna go for a drop in, fuck that. The comparison to a Tiger is fair, but the Liu Xing is AD so will get to pick his targets to some degree to negate lack of Mimetism induced issues here. Bioimmunity + AD means he's better than 2W. Who are we kidding, there will never be a Doctor anywhere near him. And while Bioimmunity doesn't do much except including Shock Immunity, it's appreciated to not die to Viral as well. BTS6 to really leverage it would have been nice, but oh well. On to the main point. ARM3 at 2W is significantly more reliable than a Tiger. Stray crits, Mines, Koalas, templates, keeping SF going... this guy is a lot better suited to execute a plan instead of dropping in and see what sticks. The Specialist Operative comes with NotACombi which is always nice, the AHD at least gets a BSG for utility I'll give him that. NWI+Bioimmunity makes him slightly more reliable than 2W vs Hacking, again thanks to Maestro resilience. Spitfire is B4 reliablity, Multi Rifle is the go to Specialist 0 SWC option, but what I'm actually looking at for the most value is the plain BSG. AD BSGs tend to be very, very hit or miss. 2 dice, one fumble, one cornerguard with a Nanopulser and you're either locked down or dead. A second wound and ARM/BTS3 lets you use that BSG to clear the first template (that isn't a Flamer) with a 50/50 to get a scratch. Can't stress enough how different that is from a Tiger. Last but not least, 1.99W also lets you walk on board against a single ARO in a high risk, high reward situation. While board edges are often secured, that coverage is often not enough to oneshot a Liu Xing. Overall I'm still on the fence about both troops. But they do important stuff. Having the option and that option being properly viable is more important to me than over the top OP shit that every list then will resolve around ("Oh, hi there Achilles and Posthumans").
I refuse to speculate about Hulang (or anything for that matter) because that way lies dissapointment. I fully expect them to be some kind of not-HI based on Shaolin Monks or something like that, only hackable and more expensive because they got NWI and some gimmicky skill you'll use one out of five games, something like Coma. I'm sorry, but after seeing CB being not only unfaithful but straight lying, I have ZERO trust on IA being all the stuff they wanted to hype it for. Also, all the shit we "hear" from Warcors about how IA is gonna be amazing or how is gonna make PanO/MO cry? Same reliability level. Finally, I don't think we are getting any kind of Smoke, CB seems to have really cut on the amount of Smoke combo availability lately.
Of course, but he has ARM3, so is 45% chance to pass that. Hence the near-as-dammit 75% safe figure..
So far we've seen we can take 4 guys who are half Guilang and half Su-Jian, and yet the glass is half empty on that. Imagine your Su-Jian was a little weaker, slower and cheaper, but had mines, camo, forward observer and infiltrated halfway up the table to start with. Zhencha will be rad. Then we've seen we have two wound jump troops who explode and damage enemy models as they land. Even though the sky is literally falling on our enemies, instead people are going chicken little and saying it's falling on us. Why are people pre-judging this stuff when half the updated profiles and links are unavailable and they both look like they will do a perfect job of doing what they need to do? All you need to do for now is say "whoah, that looks cool and I can see how I'd use it" then wait for everything else to drop. And yes, I think IA will be a first tier direct fire shooting army if it wants to be. It has access to individual models in the Hac Tao and Yan Huo that can power firepower dominance in a vanilla Yu Jing force today, and we really don't know what's coming down the line in links. Shang Ji and Mowang should give us some mobile gunfighters with or without links, and we may be able to work cheap two wound multi snipers into zhanshi links or zuyong links in very powerful ways. A son-bae yaokong (which can pad out at least one of the links) will be able to drop guided shots on anything the zhencha forward observe, which gives them additional potential for taking down hard targets. Multiple missile launchers in a zuyong link will be an evil defensive link, adding SSL2 and +2 BS on top of what a neurocinetics Yan Huo can do today. Also there's a slim chance we see the first B 6 linked HRMC in the game... I know we think there's a rule against that, but some rules are meant to be broken. It'd still have 2 less chances to crit than Tarik's spitfire of doom and wouldn't be terribly mobile... so wouldn't be all that game breaking and it would be a great way to demonstrate IA's overwhelming firepower. Be curious, enjoy new life being breathed into your faction, laugh about what we don't know and buckle in for the ride.
That's all good and all, but AT THE MOMENT (this can and I hope will change) there is no real new life breathed into the faction. These two profiles don't add anything we didn't have before not do they change YJ the slightest. I repeat, I still hope this will change when the rest of the profiles are released.
As a Yu Ying player I want to wait to see the bigger picture and give the troops a shot to fit in the bigger concept. As a PanO player I just got Dart for SAA/MO, which is pretty much a hardcounter to Zhencha. And the new Deva AHD+Lightning which is pretty much a hard counter to HI of any kind. Kinda sceptical over here how IA will overcome their issues without adding a few unhackable choices... if things turn out bad there is always Vanilla YJ (and 4 suddenly amazing PanO Sectorials as well as the usual Aleph Vanilla bullshit).
I'm only 'comparing' Zhencha to Guilang in that I was expecting them to be less capable than a Daofei, because the Daofei was supposed to be part of this sectorial! The Zhencha was supposed to fill the role of a skirmisher (which is basically your Zanshi profile with Camo+Infiltration), but be 2W. Which is why I was expecting the Zhencha to be essentially a Zuyong statline with something a little less than Camo+Infiltration (guesstimating Limited Camo+Forward Deployment of some level). It'd still be about the same cost as the Zhencha we got. Very much so. I admit, the PanO changes surprised the hell out of me. They're honestly close to what I was wishlisting! Are you trying to get on my Ignore list? I am not happy because YJ got screwed, hard, 6 months ago. Then, the units chosen to build hype by being featured in the teaser trailer are not anywhere near what we were led to expect. 1) No. you've been corrected on that already. 2) A KHD which starts in your deployment zone, not midfield where you need the thing to protect your HI from AHDs. Not to forget, a very expensive KHD at that. 3) 50% chance of Dodging times a 50% chance of surviving does equal a 75% chance of surviving. If it was Shock-Immune or 2W, it'd be a 100% chance of surviving. We were EXPECTING a 100% chance of surviving. You're misremembering, the Tiger dossier released a year ago showed that they were part of the Invincible Army. This 'half Guilang and half Su-Jian' can die to a single mine. That is not what we were led to believe was coming. (Yes, shock-immune would fix some of my discontent. Putting the damn Daofei back in would fix the rest of it.) We got a Tiger clone and lost the actual Tiger, that as of 12 months ago when the new dossiers were revealed, were part of the Invincible Army. That is not what we were led to believe was coming. Because what has been revealed has NOT been what we were led to believe was coming for the Invincible Army.
