Apparently some metaphors got lost or something, so clarification: - I do not want to literally crash and burn Corvus Belli nor physically harm any of its owners/employees. What I mean by that was warning about a risk of economic failure because of massed negative PR and a collapse/loss of the playerbase. - I'm not going to go spit in Bostria's face. I admit that he lost a lot of respect in my eyes for the "drinking Yu Jing tears" line, though.
Here's a thought: Those of you who are upset have every right to be disappointed with what's happened here. Truth! However, CB isn't going to roll this back because you post and repost and repost your anger at their decisions on the forum. No indication whatsoever that's going to happen. None. Nada. Nope. So either, (1) reconcile yourself to the new reality and figure out what you're going to do with your bisected collection of minis, or (2) sell off the lot and play something else instead. Don't get me wrong here, this is not me saying, "well, why don't you just piss off then!" This is me saying that what's done is done, and your time and energy would be better put to use moving forward than fighting with Deep Green X about things that aren't going to change on here. Think about it. I hope you all decide to stay and play Tohaa instead of YJ/JSA. We'd love to have you.
You know, I'm not completely against the division of YJ. I don't like it, but I'm not dead-set against it. At this point, what I'm hoping for is some kind of response from CB to those of us who are wondering what are they going to do to bring our options at least back to their original situation. New sectorial? Great. When? New profiles? Great! When? Because if it's in 2 months that's kind of OK, but if it is in 1 year, quite plainly, it sucks. I don't think none of us thinks that CB is going to roll this back. We are just hoping to get a little respect as customers and fans. I don't think that's asking too much now, is it? And I'd love to pick up Tohaa! It's just that, you know, nowadays armies are being split with no prior warning, so I'm somewhat leery of the investment.
I don't think it's a lack of respect, I think it's that the folks at CB are a bit infatuated with their own ideas at the moment and are supremely confident that everyone will love what they're selling. That's my take, at least. And re: Tohaa, don't worry! They'd have to actually give Tohaa something new if they were going to split off units from the faction, and we all know that Tohaa never get anything. Not even a Sakiel box! Come join us as we bathe in our own artichoke tears!
Maybe start a petition, letter writing campaign, etc then? It might be more productive than complaining on the forums. Also is it necessary to complain on 3 different threads? Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk
Asking them to be better at communicating things by using the postal service. That's clearly one of those Ironic 2018 kid* things, right? *I'm 20, so the kid part is not intended to be dismissive.
Use email then or message them on whatever social media you prefer. Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk
Because they also likely read their forums. Because if we start using an off-site or otherwise invisible method then CB can feign ignorance and/or treat it as isolated instead of seeing the larger impact on the wider community. Because turning this place in to more of an echo chamber by squelching any dissent wouldn't be helping anyone (not even the super-fans). I can't think of a better place to give a company feedback about its practices than on its public forums. As a company that still maintains official forums (a rarity these days) it offers a good, centralized location for us to give them ongoing feedback. Sure, we can also write mail/email and do the rest of it (and I suggest folks do so, more feedback is always better). But that doesn't make criticism on this forum any less important. If you want to police what people do or talk about on the board, then throw your hat in as a moderator and/or make threads you want to see instead. And if those threads are getting drowned out by negative posts and sentiments, then maybe the problem isn't those posting, but rather the crappy circumstances CB have created.
I think this is dead on. Its part of what both makes the great, and sometimes can be irritating. They are super passionate about what they do, and it shows in awesome minis and really cool game. and thats part of life. Nothing and no-one is ever going to be perfect, or stay the same. We all need to assess the positives of people and things we like, and acknowledge the negatives. Either you accept the negatives, or realise they are too much and move on.
And what conclusion would they draw after reading all the toxic comments and personal attacks that these debates seem to inevitably degenerate into? Even when the comments are constructive, people's demands are very unfocused. Hence why I think there are more effective ways of getting your grievances addressed. Aw yes, as an agent of ISS, it is my sworn duty to round up all of you dissenters, report to your nearest Celestial Guard post for political re-education, citizen! lol Jokes aside, I don't want to be a moderator, I think @psychoticstorm does a good job. But if you are allowed to complain about CB, then I am free to voice my concerns as well.
Some Warcors are doing a great job on the "massaging" front, that's for sure. I wouldn't like to step on any toes.
I don't know that I can count the number of games where players call for character death or other forms of permanent changes caused by story progression. A few models have changed Faction. The tournament rules are tweaked each year, and I'm pretty sure those CBL lists are subject to invalidation. The Combined Army had one third of its originally Factions discontinued and replaced by a new Faction. There's a market segment that wants this sort of change, and a different market segment that hates this sort of change. Disclaimer: Ask me about my collection of Exrah models and the year of denial.
If someone is convinced that they got you a really great birthday present, but you end up thinking it's a piece of crap, does that mean they don't respect you? Of course it doesn't. Don't be obtuse. From all appearances, CB think that these developments are for the best and that they will make the game more exciting for everyone in the years to come. If some folks feel differently, that could make CB many things: wrong, out of touch, etc., but it does not ipso facto mean they don't respect their customers.
Which is all well and good, but when your opinion (and that of several other folks on the pro-CB side) boils down to "you should stop talking about this where I can see it." Then it seems odd to come back with a "you can't silence me" rebuttal as seen above. My post was merely stating why going off-board for to air criticisms doesn't help anyone and why the suggestion seems more than a little calculated to shut down conversation with fairly well-traveled "concern trolling" practices. No one is trying to silence you, but quite a few of us are feeling like other posters not affiliated with CB or in charge of policing the boards want to sweep our feedback under the rug, place it somewhere they can't see and ignore it. Voice you opinion, that's what these boards are for. But when it starts to feel like the only reason you're posting is to shut conversation down in an attempt to return things to the echo-chamber status quo rather than to get your own point across, you probably shouldn't balk if you get called on it.
Zuyong Core, possibly with option of mixing Shang Ji in. Wu Mings Core; again, possibly with some Special fireteam option. Shang Ji with Duo and Haris. Yan Huo Duo, maybe Haris if CB will feel generous. We'll be able to speculate more, when we'll start seeing new units for YJ.
Zuyong Core is pretty obvious, I also think a Haris is likely and a mix with Shang Ji (assuming a rework to give them a viable role) is also probably in the cards. These things are basically the Wu Ming of the IA, so link flexibility is a must. Shang Ji are likely to get their own Haris as well, perhaps even a special one with some specific filler units (now that remotes are on the table, that could be a nice trick). The usefulness of this will depend largely on the Shang Ji getting a rework to something other than an incrementally better Zuyong of course. Yan Huo with Duo with core seems pretty likely. I also think we may see a special Haris link with the MULTI HMG to give it some purpose, but that is nearing wishlist territory. As for other links, that is going to depend a lot on what pops up in the list since what we've seen so far accounts for only the core units of the faction and little else. As for what we might see? Zuyong, Yan Huo, Shang Ji and TIger Soldiers are obvious. The Daofei should also be obvious, but absent another "clever" troll from CB, it looks like it is getting some kind of massive fluff retcon and wont be showing up. Of the possible units to show up, the Shooting Star (or whatever it ends up being) are likely and may give the Invincible Army a fairly flexible bent in terms of deployment (something that would be nice to explore as a design space). Beyond that? There are a few roles that need to be filled: First, they need a light, cheap unit to fill lists out. My pet idea is some kind of line trooper remote stripped to the bare essentials (below even Unidron and Dakini). Modern, sleek, and perfect as a light link or even link filler in a modern Yu Jing force. Next, some kind of medium infantry unit is basically a must now. Preferably something flexible, with the ability to get quickly to mid-board (Advanced Deployment, mounted, infiltration, etc.). With the loss of Aragoto, we're back down to a single MI in the whole faction again and with that role often being filled by unique specialist types we should be getting something to fill that hole. Ideally this would give some mid-field control that most lists need to succeed in the current competitive format. I also think they need some kind of affordable CoC unit on the table to justify the amount of aggressive LT options they'll be able to take. Now, given the focus of the list so far, as much as I'd love to get an Superior Infiltration unit back (especially if it were HI) I'm expecting more skirmisher support with WB and not expecting much in the way of outright sneaky stuff from the Invincible Army. My guess is the sneakiest the IA are getting is on the level of a Moran Masai, Kanren, or the new Ryuken. But hey, if CB want to toss an improved remake of the Daofei with Superior Infiltration at us... *cough* In general, the profiles we don't know about in IA have a lot of ground to make up for us and even if we can't expect another 15 profiles to drop when they come, if we can get a solid 5-6 profiles that are useful in sectorial and in vanilla then we'll be back on the road to recovery.
