Well yes. It's different playstyles. I've recently been on the receiving end of an SML strategy that worked and it's brutal and a tiny bit disheartening. I don't think ISS does this well since ISS lacks some of the components that makes the EVO investment mitigated, but ASA with decent AD4 can make good use of it and with several Fugasi to provide cheap orders and sniffers they can really punish fireteams that over-extend. All I'm saying is that it can be used effectively without relying on terrain or opponent (i.e. it's not a gimmick) and I don't think it is wise to dismiss it.
Considering the increasing amount of Albedo or White Noise, Mimetism is the stronger option and not only from a cost-effect perspective. MSV1 makes more sense, but I'd rather get Marksmanship L2, to be honest. IF, the Yan Huo is getting anything. A revised, lower, price and Neurocinetics for MHMG would be perhaps even more fitting.
Yeah it feels like you are paying a lot for not heaps, especially when mods stack up. Fighting SP with hrmc guy sure you can bully with 5 dice from range but hitting on 8s or 5s against 13s to dodge is pretty average. The hrmc is probs my fave model in my collection but I just don't see myself using him all that much.
That's just Thursdays example, my general takeaway is could have brought any other HI + rui shi and have been better off. The neurolauncher does better sometimes, but often hes just there to lose face to face rolls to waste orders.
Even if you gave that to the MHMG, that would pretty much instantly remove any reason to ever take the HRMC (which would be a crime against an awesome model). Marksmanship for the ML?
I'm starting to think there is some truth to Ttiumph's hyperbole about this unit. It's not garbage and I think the concept is solid, but the game is about stacking MODs and the Yan Huo is basically the only unit in the 50+ that can't either stack MODs a'la Kriza Borac or remove them a'la Hsien and is in a similar position to the Taskmaster. TM is interesting, though, since as much as I think CC is overpriced it doesn't seem like the TM is paying full price for it, or the YH is paying overprice for their BS. (Putting things into perspective, comparing Squalos and Guijia, the Guijia should have room for at least a level of Martial Arts and a few points of CC, all things being equal (which they aren't since the squalos should be paying more points compared to Guijia for their +1BS)) And this isn't even considering the fact that the Yan Huo doesn't seem to be getting any discount for being weirdly slow compared to the lower-tech S5 HI out there. What I'm meandering towards is that I don't think a single profile needs attention. I think the unit needs another visit in the calculator and I think the MHMG profile needs a serious re-think before a model is released for it since it's in direct losing competition with the HRMC. (Maybe MHMG+HFlamer, speaking of Myrmidons?)
What's funny is Yan Huo is supposed to be YJ's "special unit" showcasing our HI superiority. Shame everybody and their dogs have better S5 HIs now. Guess we just have to suck it because qe play the evil faction and not the Mary Sue one (meaning, Nomads)
I mean that would merely be a reversal of how it is now with MHMG vs HMC? :P In all seriousness, the Multi HMG with Full Auto wouldn't be a good unit, if it retains its current stats. Not that the firepower wouldn't be awesome but Full Auto is an insanely expensive skill and if I remember correctly @ijw said it's one of the most expensive skills (or at least the level 2 is) in the game. If you consider how basic the Kriza Borac's stats are (except for the ARM), it's actually a wonder how he can cost mid 50'ies in points. The Yan Huo already have this pricetag due to a combination of getting access to TAG exclusive weapons as well as standard TAG BS. Giving the MHMG profile Full Auto wouldn't make any sense because that would actually make him so expensive that there would be little reason not to merely field a Guija instead, as that would be an only slightly more expensive MHMG platform and much better for its theoretical point cost.
The Kriza is compared to Yan Huo MHMG +0-2 MOV, +3 CC, -1 BS, +1 PH, +3 BTS, +courage, +multiterrain, +heavy pistol, +CCW*, +Full Auto L2, -1 point. Unless the MHMG is unique in their MULTI price, and costs roughly the same as Full Auto L2, it both casts the Yan Huo price into doubt as well as making calling the Kriza's stats basic a bit of a laugh. Even making a LOT of assumptions regarding the Kriza's gear being cheaper than I know it is (such as not paying for the CCW at all), it's almost like the Yan Huo is paying for Full Auto L2 without getting the skill. By the way, does BS 13->14 cost more or less than the 5 points I assumed? * This is arguably a downgrade over a knife, but it does cost 1 point to get.
It's essentially a Mobile Brigada with +1 ARM, don't oversell it or turn your nose up with fake outrage mate, it's not a hill worth dying on. Even still, there's no way the Yan Huo is Paying for anything but its profile. Yes, multi weapons are hideously expensive and regarding BS14, I'm not too sure but I have a faint memory about BS getting more expensive if they have access to high burst weapons, the best example that springs to mind is the PanO HMC which costs a lot of points, even SWC, for that 1 extra BS compared to its Nomads counterpart. But it's nice to see you getting woke about the Yan Huo profile <3
