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Introducing... Hakims. Special Medical Assistance Teams

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by Papa Bey, Mar 10, 2018.

  1. emperorsaistone

    emperorsaistone Well-Known Member

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    Jup and that would partly solve the problem with that Sectorial beeing so expensive. I really cant wait what they come up with in the end. Hopefully after Adepticon we know more and if we do by then, we can assume RTF is in on of the 4 remaining Srmies to be introduced this year.
    This dossier alone makes me think that RTF is not far away.
     
  2. Manfred_VR

    Manfred_VR Well-Known Member

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    This new model is interesting, nice weapon options and like the new Nasmat, not bad, I hope to see very soon its profile, would be nice having a model different from the classic Ghulam Doc, especially for my hassassin.
     
  3. loki

    loki Active Member

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    Unless you're proxying, I wouldn't expect to get use out of it in Hassassins. It's a Ramah unit going by the dossier.
     
  4. Sojourne

    Sojourne Irregular

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    If he truly is an AD Akbar Doc, the Hakim would be a very strong candidate for auto-include in lists with Tarik.
     
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  5. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    By the way, what's written there near remote? Seems a bit too long for "nasmat".
     
  6. loki

    loki Active Member

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    First two letters are NA, and the last two are TS. Pretty sure it's just Nasmats. Not sure about the one or two separate letters before it.
     
  7. ik3rian

    ik3rian Anti-Ariadnian Specialist

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    If Halqas arent going to be in RTF, then i would gladly welcome him as FD doc+/akbar.
     
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  8. Wombat85

    Wombat85 Well-Known Member

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    Wouldnt the nasmat also need AD?
     
  9. emperorsaistone

    emperorsaistone Well-Known Member

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    If you want it to bring it with AD yes, otherwise no. You can deploy a Namat normally and it is disconnected until the the Doc is on the table. If I recall correctly, that is how it works with a HD Tuareg.
     
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  10. Zewrath

    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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    Aye, same with the Tomcat Doctor/Engineer.
     
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  11. JoKeR

    JoKeR HAWZA Instructor
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    you are wrong. Rules of Servant tell us what you MUST deploy servant & his Controller in the same time. So TomCat can only use ordinary Zond-bot only if he refuse using AD. If he use it - he need ZondCat.

    G: Servant: Deployment
    G: Servant troopers will be deployed at the same time their Doctor/Engineer is deployed as if they were a single trooper.

    Tuareg deploys in the same moment - just in HD state. thats the difference...
     
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  12. Zewrath

    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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    K...
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
  13. emperorsaistone

    emperorsaistone Well-Known Member

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    I always thought it would be the same with HD and AD since they both do not count to be on the table. Well, one more rule to be remembered mor correct in the future;)
     
  14. theGricks

    theGricks Well-Known Member

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    Weapons would denote either AD or Infiltrator. I would be good with either. They would not give a "Techbee" analogue weaponry like that so I doubt it is a +1 WIP unit. Its also a waste of a profile space in a faction of WIP 14 and 15. Pano needed a +1 Wip due to their poor wip scores. It was probably seen that they had a hard time passing wip checks.

    I WANT to hope it will be another Akbar Profile, but I doubt it...
     
  15. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    My bet is on an Akbar Doc, unlinkable, and loaded with extra frills to ballast him cost-wise against a Ghulam Doc (who is 16pts, so I guess Hakim will be 20 if we're lucky, up to 25 if we're not). WIP on par with Haqq standard (because WIP 15 & Doctor Plus, which is included in Akbar Doctor, would make a total of 18, which is on par with Avicenna - making Hakim hands-down better than Avicenna, and I don't think we want that!).

    What's good about non-linkable? You can use your Nasmats freely!

    Extra frills to ballast him down? I'm thinking 6th Sense L1 and Automedikit, possibly V:Courage too. Would fit the fluff.
    More ARM than Ghulam, judging form the pic, and some BTS, too. Which is always going to cost some extra points.
     
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  16. mittenninja

    mittenninja Invincibles NCO

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    I really hope that if he is an AD doc he's not more or less a tomcat clone. We've already got a surprise forward deploy Doctor (The Tuaregs) and I'd rather have something unique brought to the table than just an AD doctor.
     
  17. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Aside from their (hypothetical) bonus, Hakims may (theoretically) end up being their own thing, not necessarily a carbon copy of tech bee.

    But such bonus would reduce mortality rate among Tuareg patients by 50%! That's definitely a breakthrough for the Prophet's Medicine and a testament to the way of Haqquislam!
    :laughing:
     
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  18. n-sphere

    n-sphere Well-Known Member

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    IIRC the mech deployment rule is currently a placeholder rule and they plan to make huge changes to it in the future. Which is why MRRF hasn't gotten anything for awhile. If they are pretty sure at this point that mech deployment is going to change significantly, but they like the Halqa doctor+, then adding a profile to maintain that niche might be a thing to do.

    Maybe the thing on their back is some sort of medical deployable? Maybe a nullifier vs shock ammo in the deployable's ZoC? Or +3 to PH rolls or a re-roll for regen and AutoMediKits in the ZoC? PH 14 AutoMediKits on Zhayedans would be more of a thing instead of a coin flip, and PH 17 Asawira regens would be obnoxious as well. In a 3 turn game, you kinda don't want to risk spending an order for a hard coin flip with no re-roll, or even the 30% chance of KO-ing your 40 point HI.

    Maybe a dirty cheap irregular doctor+? Would have to be quite cheap though, since that Ghulam doctor provides a cheerleader order and doctors often don't have anything constructive to do many turns, and always having something constructive to do each turn is what makes an irregular troop good (or being dead cheap like the shotgun daylami).

    Between the Ghulam doctor+, Halqa doctor+, Taureg doctor+, and not wanting to copy tomcats there isn't a lot of free space for a doctor to exist.
     
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  19. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Not sure the comparison to Tomcats is that apt to be honest, dropping the climbing plus, combi+LFT, and maybe BS to 11 results in a significantly cheaper option that is much better at doctoring but worse at actually fighting.

    Or maybe it's just the backpack looking quite similar to the Cube Jager that's influencing my expectations.
     
  20. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    I don't think he's going to be AD. There is no evidence of AD equipment on the model.

    Also, @n-sphere, in my opinion you rarely heal much in a 3-round game anyways. It would have to be a key model (due to skill or equipment), and reachable in relatively few Orders to make that economically viable.
    Now back in the day when we were playing with no round limit, Haqqislam's ability to have a Doc at hand and heal with relative ease was often enough to give Haqq the staying power needed to prevail. But with the advent of mission systems and very limited time span of a game, when you have (a quite extreme - but viable - example) a Limited Insertion, 3-turn game, you have the maximum of 30 Regular Orders (+ Lt's Orders, + any Impetous ones, but let's talk basics) to win the game. And this pool is not going to get any bigger - actually it'll get smaller, as every model fallen is one less Order next turn.
    You need to spend at least 1 Order to try and heal it, and that is only if that model is within of a Short Move from your Doc (or Nasmat). And at the very best (model lost in Turn 1 and healed in Turn 1), you'll gain 1 net Order, compred to the situation where you just let him go to the Paradise undisturbed, and concentrate on pressing on with the mssion... 2 Short Moves away, and there's no net gain whatsoever....
     
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