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Discussion in 'Rules' started by Plebian, Nov 17, 2018.

  1. Plebian

    Plebian Well-Known Member

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    That I absolutely love the change to the Red dice for season 2. It is so much fun!
     
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    Roadrunner7431 Well-Known Member

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    I am still a bit confused. I would appreciate an experienced member such as yourself who is a native English speaker to state the change clearly and concisely for everyone here. Also there has be a comment that the original rule could still stand for casual games. Please also clarify.
     
  3. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Roughly speaking:

    A :8: now gives you a :8: and an additional :2:.
    If used for Switches, you get a total of :2::2: (rather than :2::2: and an additional :2:).
     
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    Roadrunner7431 Well-Known Member

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    So in casual play:8: can be converted to :2::2::2: but in league play :8: is converted to only :2::2:?
     

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    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    No? For Rolls it's :8::2:, for Switches it's :2::2:.
     
  6. treiral

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    I guess an example would make things more clear.

    First Situation: Kitchen table game, core rules, no AGL.
    Culprit: Mendoza rolls his :+::-::.: and gets all blanks except :8:. He also has an switch that says: :2:: Target gets :A:.
    I hope it's clear enough til now.
    Now, Mendoza has two options, either he lets his :8: go through and deal :4:, or change his :8: for :2::2: to do switches, and only switches. So he decides to do just that and swap the critical success for :A::A:.

    Second Situation: League game, AGL 2.0 enforced.
    Culprit: Same aristo, same roll, same switch.
    Now, when the switch phase begins, the new AGL says to add :2: to the roll when you roll a :8:. So right now the situation is :8::2:. BUT, the new AGL also says that the :8: symbol doesn't transfer to :2::2: anymore for switches. Just a regular :2:.
    So, Mendoza's options now are more varied. He could:
    • Not do any switches, applying :8::2: as it is.
    • Switch them all, using both symbols to place :A::A: on the defender.
    • Something in the middle, switching a single symbol to deal :8::A: or :2::A:, depending on what is the player looking for.
    I hope I didn't make the situation more confusing!
     
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    tartopom Well-Known Member

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    Totally agree.

    Just a small precision though, all of this is valid if, and only if, :8: has not been cancelled by :7:.
     
  8. Roadrunner7431

    Roadrunner7431 Well-Known Member

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    I think I am starting to understand. In effect the AGL 2.0 changes one face of the red die from :8: only to :8::2:. If it made economic sense, it would be as if CB included in its AGL 2.0 Kit a new red die to substitute for the ones that come in the core set or the current sets of extra dice. Please correct me if I am in error.
     
  9. treiral

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    Yes, that's a broad way of putting it.
    Keep in mind though that if we go technical, the extra :2: added comes at the beginning of the Switch Phase, so something like :I:Stunned, that cancels a :2: before the Switch Phase, can't affect this new :2: because it just wasn't there before.
    So, in practice it's as you said, it's like CB changed one face of the die, UNLESS the aristo rolling :8: is :I:stunned, in which case you have to pay a closer look to these weird details.

    I don't know if they had this particular interaction in mind when they thought the new AGL. But it's kind of awkward and a bit counter-intuitive. Luckily I don't think it happens often, although with Legendary Bahadurs being half stunners it just might.
     
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