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How to fix Pano

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Zsolt, Jul 21, 2018.

  1. eciu

    eciu bloody vanilla

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    Unless you are an ORC, Teuton or KotHS ;P
     
  2. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead
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    Give Feuerbach to ORCs, Eclipse Grenades to Teutons and MRifle instead of Combi to Sepulchre, and all three are suddenly much better ;)
     
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  3. kanluwen

    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    SMG Bolts...
     
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  4. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead
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    And 1 pts Drop Bears, like virtually everyone else...
     
  5. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    I'd be happy with just cost reductions across the board for Pano. -2 points on combi-shotgun combo and 1 point drop bears would save a lot of points on a bolt link.
     
  6. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower
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    I must say, I am hoping for a SMG ORC in Varuna.

    I don't think I'm even that bothered if it appears outside of Varuna.

    But I do want it in Varuna.
     
  7. Ixidro

    Ixidro Deep agent infiltrated in PanOceanian HQ

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    Sure it would be cheaper than the MULTI Rifle but, why bother? I don't think it's their theme/purpose
     
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  8. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower
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    I think it fits the Theme/Purpose of Varuna.

    And it'd be a good way to make the Core actually viable in Varuna.
     
  9. Zsolt

    Zsolt Well-Known Member

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    I realized, we need more Sniffers. AVA bump on Fugazi would be nice where it's below 3, for a start, but sniffers could be added to FOs, along or instead of deployable repeaters (so maybe 2 FO profiles, one with DR, one with Sniffer). Fugazi sniffer net is an efficient way to deal with camo, and it would be an improvement on that if we could deploy more sniffers, e.g. on infiltrating troops like Croc man, or just random advancing specialists (Auxilia, Fusilier maybe). Some additional sensor would be nice apart from Pathfinder and Regular.
     
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  10. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    SMG is the new Mimetism
     
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  11. andre61

    andre61 Well-Known Member

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    What if the Swiss guard was to get Surprise Shot L2, would that be to OP?
     
  12. ThananRollice

    ThananRollice Your Friendly Neighborhood Locust

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    Yeah, I think that'd be kind of crazy... If there's any unit that feels comfortable where it is right now, it's the Swiss Guard. Essentially putting someone at a -15 to hit is a bit much.
     
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  13. MrNailbrain

    MrNailbrain Relentless Optimist

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    Of all the things in PanO that feel a bit hamstrung, a bit overcosted, a bit redundant, and you pick the faction-defining all-star unit that's literally the baseline for "lethal active-turn piece" in this game?

    That's the one model that needs no fixes, no adjustments, no tweaks. It's simple, it's lethal, it's the definition of "PanO style". Leave well enough alone.
     
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  14. Teslarod

    Teslarod Trebuchet Enthusiast

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    That is true for the HMG and Missile Launcher.
    Multirifle and AHD are open season for improvements. Upgrade Program, NCO, whatever.
     
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  15. MrNailbrain

    MrNailbrain Relentless Optimist

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    Sometimes I forget there is a 4th profile lurking behind the all-stars with HMGs, Missile Launchers and Hacking Devices. Yeah, give that something special, but the other 3 are pretty much good to go. Even the AHD, I think it gets enough value out of TO to not need an upgrade.
     
  16. andre61

    andre61 Well-Known Member

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    Ok, sounds good.
     
  17. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower
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    If we got a Lt profile back it'd give the vanilla Multi Rifle a purpose again.

    But I don't think that occasional dead profiles are an issue.

    It's entire dead troop selections which bug me.
     
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  18. Teslarod

    Teslarod Trebuchet Enthusiast

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    While one clearly surpasses the other as a problem, I'd like to see way less of both.
    There are way too many Profiles like the Black Friar MSRs. Sure one Profile is alright, but that doesn't mean the other ones should be garbage.
     
  19. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower
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    I don't actually see the Swiss Guard Multi Rifle and the Black Friar Multi Sniper as having the same problem.

    The Swiss Guard just suffers a little from its own competition. In the right circumstances it could be amazing, but most of the time the HMG or Missile Launcher leverage the advantage of TO that little bit better.

    The Black Friar, on the other hand, would be amazing if it was the same unit with a weapon swap. But its not. Key equipment and options were stripped away for VERY dubious reasons and the unit is left a shadow of highly questionable value.

    We'll NEVER be entirely rid of the former, sometimes units will just have better options which overshadow others (like specialists on infiltrating units), but we could eliminate the latter (and we should).
     
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  20. Zsolt

    Zsolt Well-Known Member

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    Is vanilla Pano a mid tier army, or do I just suck at the game?