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How I would do O-12

Discussion in 'O-12' started by Ghost_X, Jun 30, 2019.

  1. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead
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    They probably want to keep their healing and fixing in-house. I think the Lambda might end up in this role.

    Going piece by piece:

    Kappas are solid, Shock Immunity on a line trooper is a good deal in current enviroment.

    Epsilons are a letdown fun-wise; they're very good, an O-12 Nisse, but not very interesting.

    Deltas are nice. Not exciting skill-wise, but they bring a good set of weaponry and utility to the table, and that's before we know what Riotstopper is. I really like AD KHD, Doc and the fact that we're getting Yudbot-B's.

    Gangbusters are ok. They look like Morans which traded Repeaters for MSV1 and Koalas for MadTraps. Should do pretty well as area control and camo hunting unit.

    Gamma is very solid. No fireworks, but with these stats and cost it will be a very good firebase.

    Hippolyta seems a tad too good. She indeed squeezes Eudoros out.
     
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  2. Guiz

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    I didn't hear during the video what is peacekeeper skill, do you know that?
     
  3. Cartographer

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    Give's about a 2.5 point discount to the Epsilon, other than that, we have no idea what it does.
     
  4. Ghost_from_warp

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    narrative rule, do nothing in regular game.
     
  5. Ghost_from_warp

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    overall, most o12 units sounds a little bit undercosted. Of course, maybe they compensating rest of the army. Zeta promising to be super expensive. We will se soon.
     
  6. xagroth

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    I think they already got a sample of what happens when you have cheap, efficient troops and expensive troops in the same sectorial during Invincible Army playtest, so I doubt they will go that route... (hint: players grab only the cheap units).
     
  7. Pinky

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    Considering one unit is just a Nisse, but cheaper and better, the power creep is obvious. I don't expect CB to start fixing older units in other armies, but it's becoming more and more necessary.
     
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  8. Cartographer

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    It's 1 point of ARM (at a tipping point level as far as I can tell) and PHY lighter, with a slight CC buff (worth less than a point) and a Nanopulser. Multiterrain vs. Bioimmunity looks to be about even on a BTS 3 trooper. Epsilon should be ~32 points if it uses the same costs as a Nisse.
     
  9. Nemo No Name

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    I see the CBs answer to "How I would do O-12" is "let's copy Nomads and change a skill or two in profile".
     
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  10. Pinky

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    Shock immunity on a unit that will sometimes eat crits in active or do ARO duty is massive.
    I'm surprised there's no LT2, NCO or some other leadership lieutenant kind of rule consider how much Bostria talks about their supposed diplomatic skills.
     
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  11. Janzerker

    Janzerker Invincible Angry

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    Diplomatic skills and strategist skills, even leadership skills are completely different things.
     
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  12. Ghost_from_warp

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    you wrong.
    It's "lets copy nomads but with PanO stats except WIP and some aleph shenanigans" - sounds like best infinity army for me.
     
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  13. Pinky

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    Sure, but there's no indication this unit has more diplomatic skills than an Intruder and it's a large part of the fluff. Bostria mentioned it in multiple videos and because of that I was expecting something to represent that on the table.
     
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  14. Ghost_from_warp

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    Peacekeeper - they convincing everybody around, even them selves, that their weapon are not lethal at all. Sounds like very huge diplomatic skill
     
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  15. daszul

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    Maybe the do it the Rasyat way?
     
  16. Ogid

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    Yep, I also see powercreep here; the profiles are very well optimized, and tools like AD + Doctor+Servant/KHD aren't frecuent (in fact I think CA had the unique AD KHD; and I'm not aware of any AD Doctor)
     
  17. Pinky

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    Haqq Drop Doctors and Tomcats?
     
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  18. Ghost_from_warp

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    one in nomads and one in haqq. Few AD paramedicks. But this one if first combat jump doctor. Which is ok. Haqq have infiltrating camo doctors. No one else have infiltrating camo doctors.
     
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    They are very good, that's for sure, but I've noticed two things absent from the revealed profiles: Camo and Mines. If those are missing from the full final lineup, all the Epsilons in the world won't be able to really make O12 overpowered. Just make Morats even more obsolete.
     
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  20. Stiopa

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    Not really, since ignoring LoL, Retreat, and Isolation is a pretty big thing. After last tweaks Morats are ok, not a powerhouse, but decent enough. O12 shapes up to be really good, but we don't know their exact limitations yet.

    Personally, I'll be adding additional one just for me. Peacekeeper units can't shoot unconscious troopers (NWI and Dogged excluded, obviously), nor perform coup de grace.