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Help with limited insertion list

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by Masebs, Dec 20, 2017.

  1. Masebs

    Masebs Member

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    I'm trying to build a 10 model list for use in all the king of the hill types missions; Frontline, Quadrant Control, Supremecy, etc. I'd appreciate any thoughts or advice.

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    [​IMG] FASID HMG + (Smoke and Normal) Light Grenade Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 53)
    [​IMG] ÁYYĀR (Surprise Shot L2) Shock Marksman Rifle / 2 Viral Pistols, CCW, Knife. (0 | 39)
    [​IMG] DJANBAZAN HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
    [​IMG] TUAREG Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 33)
    [​IMG] NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] HAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
    [​IMG] FIDAY Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 31)
    [​IMG] AL-DJABEL Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW, Knife. (0 | 35)
    [​IMG] RAFIQ REMOTE Rifle + Light Shotgun, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] BARID Hacker (Hacking Device) Lieutenant Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 21)
    [​IMG] FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

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    This is what I'm thinking right now. It's based off of a list I used in N2 that I really liked and did well with, I wanted to see if I could update it for N3 with all the new profiles and cost changes.

    The basic idea is that the hardest part of the king of the hill type maps is getting points up the field. The two fiday are ~60 points that are very difficult for the opponent to do anything about. I wanted to pair them with a really good active turn shooter, in this case the Fasid. Together they bring a lot of zone control with smoke, mines, and that you don't want to be exposed to them on their active turn. These three guys are the core of the list but after that I'm not sure what kind of support or other models I could bring.

    The Ayyar is another model that is very good on the active turn, but it's more comfortable moving up the field than the Fasid is. The specialists are for supporting the shooters and pushing buttons if needed. The Djan and Rafiq are for dealing with Camo, TO, and ODD, which I felt the rest of list was weak to.
     
  2. Natsymir

    Natsymir Well-Known Member

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    The list looks pretty solid to me. However, I'd be really tempted to squeeze in a Jannisary Akbar doctor, as the Al Fasid's got a Cube, so you can risk those WIP 14 rolls to heal him back up to full wounds thanks to the possibility for a reroll that the Cube offers.

    I'd also rather have a killer hacker than one basic hacker and one assault hacker. The Barid Hacker is a very obvious lieutenant choice in this list. Sure, he's great, but in Limited Insertion, defending your deployment zone is very difficult. I wouldn't risk using the Barid as lieutenant in those circumstances. Plus, the Barid killer hacker is excellent, too, due to his awesome Lightning program.
     
  3. Envihon

    Envihon The Sword of Haqqislam, High Commander Envihon

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    Yeah when it comes to limited insertion and vanilla Haqqislam, there is only one LT I take, Saladin. But the list does look pretty solid.

    Its hard to make recommendations without totally spoiling what you are going for. Realize that if you take the Nasmat attached to the Tuareg, that the Tuareg can not hidden deploy otherwise you render the Nasmat useless since they have to deploy at the same time.
     
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  4. Ixidro

    Ixidro Deep agent infiltrated in PanOceanian HQ

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    The two main issues I see on your list are a)You have two fiday models w/o Saladin synergy and b) the main rambo piece has an HMG which overlaps with the djanbazan's own weapon. Also the lonely nasmat w/o a deployed medic on the table tells the enemy outright that you have a tuareg doc in the shadows. This is my take on 10 order lists:

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    [​IMG] TARIK MANSURI Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser, Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 55)
    [​IMG] BARID Hacker (Killer Hacking Device UPGRADE: Lightning) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] DJANBAZAN HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
    [​IMG] LASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] JANISSARY Akbar Doctor (MediKit) AP Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 41)
    [​IMG] RAFIQ REMOTE Rifle + Light Shotgun, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] TUAREG Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 35)
    [​IMG] FARZAN (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)
    [​IMG] AL-DJABEL Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW, Knife. (0 | 35)
    [​IMG] KASYM BEG Chain Rifle, Panzerfaust, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (0 | 16)

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    The list is pretty simple: advance with Tarik while you cover his advance with the djan + smoke trick. Kasym is my choice of smoke provider because he is regular impetuous and also packs a panzerfaust and a EXP CC weapon. With 8-6 mov he can go anywhere he's needed. Al-Djabel is pretty self-explanatory.

    The Lasiq is a solid ARO piece who can reach a good sniping spot with her climbing+ and her viral ammo is a real threat to anyone.

    On the infowar department we enlist the best killer hacker we have at our disposal, the barid, who also carries a pitcher. A Rafiq rem also gives a bigger repeater range, a cheerleader and also an efficient way to discover cammos. With all this coverage, the Tuareg hacker can keep at bay any pesky HI with ease.

    The farzan CoC is around because Tarik is really vulnerable on ARO and ends up dying sooner or later. The most arguably spot on the list is the Jannisary Akbar-Doc, but you can downgrade him to a ghulam doc + 1 or 2 nasmats and use the spare points elsewhere.

    Hope it helps :)
     
  5. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure only his Lt profile is regular.
     
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  6. KedzioR_vo

    KedzioR_vo Well-Known Member
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    I think that Ixidro ment that Kasym's Impetuous is a "regular" one, normal one, and not "extreme" - which makes a big difference. And is the most important advantage of Kasym for me too :)

    And about Haqqislam in LI - I think that we have a bit tougher time against different LI armies, because Haqq depends more on cheap and light infantry, like Daylamis with Panzerfausts, Ghazis etc. We don't have the best rambo units, our soldiers are usually a bit worse than PanOs/YJ/Aleph and the rest in the terms of BS et cetera.
    I played a tournament in North Poland last sunday at 333pts LI, I was fighting with Maggie, Tarik, Kasym, Tuareg AHD, 2 Barids (KHD/AHD), Doc, Kaplan Eng, Farzan CoC and Jethro (we decided to use Outrage profiles because of the X-Mas coming ;) ).
    It didn't go too well, I won first battle against MAF, then lost against ASA and ISS. I finished 9 with 13 players, but to be honest, I should won the second battle vs ASA, but I was too fair play as an organizer and let the enemy change his last moves after he figured out, that my AHD can Control his TAG (what happened).


    PozdRawiam / Greetings
     
  7. Masebs

    Masebs Member

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    Thanks for the responses! I appreciate the advice.

    For the doctor I prefer either as cheap as possible or starting up the board so they don't have to move a lot to reach the aggressive pieces, but I also don't play with multi-wound models very much. I forgot akbar doctor was a thing but with two heavies that would be a good thing to have.

    I have been playing Leila a lot and learning the joys of the killer hacker. For this list the Barid with normal device is there to provide support. A big chunk of my local meta is Ariadne, so I prefer having the more general use option since half the time the KHD does nothing.

    I did a couple of takes on the list before I settled on the above, and Saladin was in a few of those. I switched him out for the Ayyar and felt better about how the list looked with the extra aggressive piece since that sort of redundancy fits my playstyle. I haven't ever really used Saladin due to not having the model, I got his blister recently so I'll put a few games in with him and figure him out.

    I wasn't sure about how the nasmat situation worked, but I had the extra points so I tossed one in. If I get first I don't think its a big deal to not use hidden deployment. Going second makes it awkward. When I make any changes the nasmat will probably be the first to go to free up points for something else.

    Feel free to make recommendations. I'm not dead set on anything, I'm just trying to get a feel for the design space.


    @Ixidro

    Thanks, I like that list! I don't have any bikes but I could proxy something and give it a shot.

    The double HMG is a problem I hadn't thought about. The Fasid could switch to a HRL and focus more on AROs. That'd also open up more points so the Fanous could be something more useful.

    For the Fiday/Saladin combo I don't mind not having him because for king of the hill type scenarios I don't like using them as alpha strikers or suicide assassins. Mostly the idea for them is to have ~70 points up the board to score with that are difficult to get rid of and can take advantage of any bad positioning from the opponent. I guess it's weird but it works for me.
     
  8. Ixidro

    Ixidro Deep agent infiltrated in PanOceanian HQ

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    I mean, redundancy brings consistency and that's a good thing to have, but in limited insertion you don't have the room. Each order you include has it's purpose set in stone.
    Hmm... If I had to roll double fiday for scoring points, I'd go with double minelayer frofile and try to bleed out orders from enemy's pool just by dealing with both mines and IMP state. But definetly you'll have to teach me a lesson or two on how to keep them alive till endgame :wink:
    You are correct, sir. In fact, at first I was skeptical ("Zuleyka or chain Kum are cheaper and also fit the role..."), but after reading your comments of praise I decided to field Kasym out. And man, glad I did.
     
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  9. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Keep in mind that double minelayer Fidays are only available in HB who don't have Slaladin (although since the context of it was "who need Saladin anyway").
    Otherwise your second fiday is Al-Djabel who doesn't have mines.

    This post was not intended to insult anyone's intelligence, I just tend to do it accidentally when I struggle to find a relevant thing to post.
     
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  10. emperorsaistone

    emperorsaistone Well-Known Member

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    Besides the points made, I miss a little more Anti Armor weaponry. In LI you will face a lot of HI and Tags.
     
  11. theGricks

    theGricks Well-Known Member

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    If your able to go QK I would suggest QK. A full Jan link team, double FO infiltrators, and a Sekban Haris is strong.
     
  12. Dogpool

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    I like that idea for an HK LI list.

    What models are you using for the Hawwa FOs?
     
  13. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    There are literally 2 Hawwa models... so if I will bring 3, I use the Tuareg Sniper from the Haqq starter as the third Hawwa. So your options are: 3 FO, 3 AHD, Hawwa hacker as hacker the rest as FO, hawwas as hackers, tuareg as FO, etc...
     
  14. Bobman

    Bobman MERC

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    I've got a few 10 order lists that I'm toying with.

    I agree with others Saladin is hard to pass up in this format with cheap Strategoes. Just need to protect him or take CoC. He is not essential however.

    On the protection side Fasid can help with minelayer. Which is good as I Luke this trooper and HI in general.

    Which leads to me thinking Haqq could do well with multiple HI and Akbar doc. Reviving multiple targets to full wounds sounds boss.
     
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  15. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    A Farzan is a good specialist for the middle field, and an inexpensive CoC. As for the Akbar doctor combo... Fasid + Akbar is close to 100 points! Sure thing, is impressively good if the enemy doesn't manage to send the Fasid from 1 wound to totally dead (2 wounds in one go), but you are paying more than a Maghariba, more or less the same cost of a Sphinx... and more than an Asura+Sophotect. So careful there!
     
  16. Bobman

    Bobman MERC

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    Point is with LI you have those points. I've run 10 order lists with with 2 Azra'il and a Fasid or Tarik plus Akbar. Needs some refining but has legs for sure. Janissary Doc is a strong specialist also.
     
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    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    [​IMG] Haqqislam
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    [​IMG] SALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 36)
    [​IMG] DJANBAZAN Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)
    [​IMG] FASID HMG + (Smoke and Normal) Light Grenade Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 53)
    [​IMG] JANISSARY Akbar Doctor (MediKit) AP Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 41)
    [​IMG] FARZAN (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)
    [​IMG] TUAREG Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 33)
    [​IMG] AL-DJABEL Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW, Knife. (0 | 35)
    [​IMG] HAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
    [​IMG] GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

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    for console (and partially for direct action) goodness!!! The 'hawwa can do almost any secondary, the Tuareg can do others... and mess an enemy Total Reaction with some luck (get really close to it, surprise shot inside the 20cm/8'' area and enjoy that -12), the Farzan can also capture objectives... and then you have Al Djabel as an insider (or a 31pts Fiday and you can change the Djanbazan from ARO/sniping duty to HMG rambo), whom the Tuareg can recover in a pinch, the Fasid+Janissary combo, Saladin for that 10th regular order, a Warcor for ARO support, and a Ghulam doctor
     
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  18. Bobman

    Bobman MERC

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    I'm guilty of not seeing past 11 order goodness but you highlight the use of Strategoes to still keep 10 orders while using an Irregular troop.
     
  19. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Or an AD troop! Also please note that list will start with 8 regular orders because of the Tuareg ^^
     
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