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Help a SP noob

Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by stargorger, Dec 28, 2017.

  1. regelridderen

    regelridderen Dismember

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    @stargorger

    I don't think, you'll get much out of a link of two myrmidon officers and Machaon. If you swap one of the officers for a spitfire, you'll get some more utility/firepower - and a link of three specialists is a bit too specialized. Also consider a guy like Eudoros, he can dump eclipse smoke as an impetuous order, and so you can make use Penny's Impetuousness.

    The combi rifle thorakite won't do much for you either. As you can only have 4 guys in an enomotarcos link.

    I like the list, but I'd probably cut it list down to 1 group.

    Here's a little thing, I've been contemplating – basically three duos : Officer/Spitfire with support.

    [​IMG] Steel Phalanx
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    [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON OFFICER (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 35)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Spitfire, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 31)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON OFFICER (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 35)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Spitfire, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 31)
    [​IMG] MACHAON Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 38)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Spitfire, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 31)
    [​IMG] PENTHESILEA Combi Rifle, Contender, Nanopulser / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (0 | 41)
    [​IMG] THORAKITES (360º Visor) Submachine gun, Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    [​IMG] THORAKITES (360º Visor) Submachine gun, Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    [​IMG] SCYLLA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device UPGRADE: Maestro) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser + 2 Devabots Charybdis / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0.5 | 34)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] DEVABOT CHARYBDIS Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (7)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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  2. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    The problem with this list is: you don't have heavy wepons, nor long range ones (Phoenix is autoinclude for those two reasons, I'm afraid, even after he went from 35 to 40 pts when he lost Frenzy and a worst gun), and the Myrmidons team doesn't have Sixth Sense L2, meaning an enemy MSV2 can force your hand to passively Eclipse-dodge.

    Scylla I'd think you pegged her wrong. Her main role is not "hacking solutions", it is "double flamer deployment system, that can also capture objectives, and kill hackers in a pinch" (mind you, if she can see them most of the times she will better use the shotgun).

    Alke, well, you are running the worst option for a thorakitai link, but if you consider her a must, then you have that team mostly ok (you might change a FO for an engineer or paramedic, depending on the mission), but Penny is a beast on her own.

    So Penthesilea: she excels in closed tables, since she is fast and cannot use cover (so she has to avoid enemy lines of fire), and has solid weapons loadout for supporting her position. However, she tends to work like Achilles: send fast to the biggest threat and hit it hard; her problem is that she doesn't have Martial Arts but I-Khol, meaning her preferred targets are, essentially, Heavy Infantries (funnily enough, the Su Jian is at the top of this list), since Structure-based troops are inmunne to I-Khol, so she rolls with "just" her CC22 while the enemy TAG rolls without penalties (and most S7 TAGs have more than CC15); if you think this is not a relevant problem, you are in for a nasty surprise, like all of us who manage to roll ones with Atalanta in FtF rolls against basic troopers with combis XD
     
  3. Plebian

    Plebian Well-Known Member

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    Yup!
     
  4. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    I see her more as a cheerleader murderer. Her monosword is but a deterrent, unless you really have no other options. No point in sending her to a TAG, just go and kill all the average guys. She's so fast they can't hide from her and no line troop can handle a BS13 ODD fury, especially if she can get them out of cover.
     
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  5. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Well, yeah... but her best targets are things like the Al Fasid, the Azrail, Tarik Mansuri, a Charontid... IF you feel really lucky, you can go against Achiles for a really nice chance of killing him in one blow (you would use Natural Born Warrior to negate his CC skills, meaning AM4) and imposing a -6, reducing him to CC18 against your 22. Ayax is more tricky, since you would neutralize his Berserker, but he would also negate your I-khol, so it's just a "who rolls highest".
     
  6. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    You would try to engage Ajax when you could just shoot at him with no negative mod, not even cover ?

    I agree, if you can catch a charontid (or an Asura, same problem here, high cost HI with wounds and no real CC capability), it is totally worth it.
     
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  7. stargorger

    stargorger Well-Known Member

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    How about something like this?

    [​IMG] Penny list
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON OFFICER (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 35)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] EUDOROS Mk12, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 40)
    [​IMG] MACHAON Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 38)
    [​IMG] PENTHESILEA Combi Rifle, Contender, Nanopulser / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (0 | 41)
    [​IMG] ALKÊ Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] THORAKITES (Forward Observer, 360º Visor) Submachine gun, Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    [​IMG] THORAKITES Feuerbach, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 22)
    [​IMG] THORAKITES Paramedic (Medikit, 360º Visor) Submachine gun, Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] ANDROMEDA Submachine Gun, Nanopulser, Flash Pulse / Breaker Pistol, DA CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 28)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] AGÊMA Marksman Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 27)

    6 SWC | 299 Points

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  8. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Why that hate against Phoenix? Good ranges with dmg 14 fire and burst 2-3 on an ODD platform with NWI is... almost mandatory.
    And I fail to see what does Andromeda provides, either here or in any list, frankly (too big, too soft, only mimetic, and closest to the enemy than the rest of the army...).

    Also, get rid of the second group. You want to go first, and in this ITS season if you only field a single Combat Group you cannot be reduced by 2 regular orders.
     
  9. pedrogzc

    pedrogzc Well-Known Member

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    Actually, she get more kills with her combi shooting rifle guys from 16" where usually the ARO is a shoot at -9 or a dodge

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  10. stargorger

    stargorger Well-Known Member

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    This is why I usually hate debating specific lists ;)

    I hate everything about Phoenix: ESPECIALLY the fact that he seems like an 'auto-include'. IMO any game that has such clearly 'more betterz' units is poorly designed, and so I refuse to run them on principle. Same reason I'll never run Achilles. Also I hate the macho-men thing. That's just me though :)

    And I am using Andromeda for the same reason in reverse: I like taking units people think are shit and trying to make them awesome in their own way. I really don't care about being point-by-point 'T0P T13R COMPETITIVE' :)
     
  11. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    You probably mean -6, given Penny is too hot to cover herself :)
     
  12. pedrogzc

    pedrogzc Well-Known Member

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    Shoot over 18", excep SWC weapons, they go -3

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  13. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Well, he's autoinclude not because he is too good... but because he's the only long range shooter aside from Hector you can place in a Myrmidon fireteam! The same can be said about Thrasimedes: the competing options are too expensive on SWC (Alke... and the SMG almost all Thorakitai carries means an HMG and basic 12pts trooper are more interesting) or points (Hector).
    You could say that Machaon is autoinclude too... just because he is the only medic you can field inside a Mym's fireteam (you have to go Dactyls to get another doctor...). Heck, the frigging 16pts myrmidon is an autoinclude both in SP and generic! If you wanna go "I use what no one uses" then roll any Shasvastii (until their V2 gets released, at which point they will become mainstream) or Merovingian army! (no offense intended, btw, I know this sounds more harsh than I want to).

    Achilles is just a close combat TAG thing people love to shoot with. I tend to prefer the Asura with 2 basic Myrmidons for escort duty, frankly, and if I choose the golden boy he's the V2 multi rifle option, because I want him to explode things in melee (Ayax can do that too and be inside a Fireteam, but... I don't really want another bulky troop that I will have to storage like 2 S2 ones). I must confess I have fielded only while playing generic Aleph, though...

    And Andromeda... I look at the profile and I find no real use, and then I look at the miniature and everything people (me included) wanted (Saint Seiya-like Andromeda, with chains and the like) and I just feel cheated... then I said ok, I will just run her as a second Danavas (in case I want to... I have one of Giraldez's Joan without the scabbard that looks like Black Saber to proxy as my second Myrm Officer... and I seldom field two), then they piece her with the hand as part of the dog's head... so another miss there (I bought the Kanren hacker for that).
    So you see, I not only dislike the profile, but the miniature.

    Also, to clear a misunderstanding... I'm no "I play what wins" kind of player, just a dude who likes to make things "click" the most satisfactory way I can think of. After all, in Infinty there is literally no way to ensure a roll, unless you FtF against a remote imposing a -12 (and even then it can dodge successfully).
     
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  14. stargorger

    stargorger Well-Known Member

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    Sorry Xagrath, my post also likely sounded harsher than I meant it. That wasn't a critique of you but rather a general feeling I have in gaming :)

    Re: Phoenix, I don't feel like I need a longer-range shooter in a myrmidon link than a spitfire. I have the HRL in the Thorakitai link for long-range fire support/TAG guarding, and the Myrmidon team is simply meant to get in close. That's true about Machaon, but I suppose I feel less strongly when it's literally the only option (see, Dr Worm) as opposed to the only 'good' option, if that makes sense. I don't mind Machaon as much cus I like the model, so there's that... ;)

    Achilles just makes me barf lol. I'm with you, Asura any day.

    And yeah, I was disappointed in Andromeda as well from a 'it's not what I was hoping for' standpoint, but I still really like the model and her stats. The ONLY thing I dislike about her is the big size, and since I have been starting her prone guarding midfield...I can get her down to S<2 and it only becomes a problem when she needs to go off guard duty.

    And haha, I'm painting my Joan to be Black Saber as we speak :)

    I hear you. I'm a Johnny (?) I think? I don't care as much about win or lose, I just want to make something awesome and memorable happen. I like the story. Hence why which minis I play is more important to me than their utility. That said...I'd still prefer to win >.< lol
     
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