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Heckler Unit Profile

Discussion in 'Nomads' started by Tom McTrouble, Jun 8, 2018.

  1. nazroth

    nazroth 'well known Nomad agitator'

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    Edited out
     
    #41 nazroth, Jun 8, 2018
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  2. wellspokenman

    wellspokenman Retired Intruder

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    In ARO the advantages to the Jammer are pretty obvious, but I like the options that the Jammer gives versus camo markers. With an Intuitive attack they have to break Camo to reset or let you take an unopposed roll to isolate them.
     
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  3. Billy

    Billy Member

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    The Intuitive attack against camo will be fantastic! I honestly think the jammer profile will play completely different to Mutts, and will completely change how opponents approach the rest of my camo markers. I might even throw some more camo markers into my lists in the future.


    I haven't come across anyone who didn't think they stacked, and didn't find any forum threads when I first bought him that suggested differently. The tears of Pan-O are extra salty at the moment!
     
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  4. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Reminder that any token deployed outside of FD1 range can't have a jammer still.
     
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  5. Billy

    Billy Member

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    Of course, but this extends the potential mind games in Vanilla especially.
     
  6. sgthulka

    sgthulka Well-Known Member

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    I'm very disappointed in the jammer profile. At least the mutt's impetuousness directly counters the jammer's most effective use by forcing you to spend an order or move. On a non-impetuous model it is going to be as un-fun as Emily supported by a five man link. Yay, I have two hecklers prone in the corners of buildings or on rooftops within 8 inches of the objective. What a (not) fun puzzle for my opponent to try and figure out how to bypass. I sure hope he brought a skew list loaded with veterans just to deal with hecklers and mutts! If not he'll have to burn an entire order pool using stealth to get in a face to face roll that he might still get unlucky and lose!
     
  7. Robock

    Robock Well-Known Member

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    Really ? There was a thread asking Full Auto with Supp Fire, only one answer confirming it does stack and absolutely no one refuted it, back then.

    http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/topic/50331-suppressive-fire-and-full-auto-l2/

    So, not sure sure what "since day 1" means.
     
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  8. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Just go the same route they took to get there and shoot them. They don't have infiltration.
     
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  9. natetehaggresar

    natetehaggresar Senior Backlogged Painter Manager

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    Well thats kinda lame about the Kriza, but I'll live. I didn't use supression a whole lot with him anyway... everything was already dead. ;-)

    I really like all the heckler profiles. I really like how each one is very different and presents very different threats, how you deal with a jammer under a template is very different from how you would deal with an emarat under a template. It presents a very good shell game even without other camo.

    I also like how well they can synergize with profiles I already like. Being able to deploy jammers that cover areas that are also covered by massai koalas creates a lot more potenial to mess up peoples' days regardless of whether they dodge or reset.

    I'm very curious to know what a cyber mine is? A mine that deploys a hack is IMO a weaker emauler, thought I guess it depends on the program. It could also be something weird, like a repeater the drops as a camo token or something?

    I love how Hecklers can say "Want 2 Cyber?" and mean it.
     
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  10. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Or if it does not rely on LoS.
     
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  11. helsbecter

    helsbecter Ultrademocratic subSenator, #dominion Module

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    That Red Fury profile is straight cash.

    My kokoro wish (even though I know it will never happen) is that they tweak the Prowler and make it a more elite unit, since this Heckler makes him pretty much obsolete.
     
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  12. nazroth

    nazroth 'well known Nomad agitator'

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    Yup - sad story of a Prowler. It ain't Hexa, it ain't Zero and now it ain't Heckler. At least we got a nice, cheap assault Mimetic unit.
     
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  13. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    This is a decent point. It means that midfield objectives can't be entirely covered by a Heckler.

    2 Jammers is absolutely the tits for Capture and Protect or Loot and Sabotage though. But you could already build a pretty punishing obstacle field in those missions between Morans and Minelayer Zeroes.
     
  14. mothman

    mothman Well-Known Member

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    hmmm they are kinda throwing a spanner into the works for more normal list

    [​IMG] Nomads
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    [​IMG]7
    [​IMG] INTERVENTOR Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] INTERVENTOR Hacker Lieutenant (Hacking Device Plus) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] KRIZA BORAC HMG / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (2 | 54)
    [​IMG] MORAN (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, CrazyKoalas (2) / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)
    [​IMG] ZERO (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    [​IMG] ZERO (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    [​IMG] INTRUDER HMG, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 42)
    5 SWC | 206 Points
    Open in Infinity Army

    This is normally my core (though 2nd interventor is sometimes a KHD) I might end up dropping the Moran in vanilla in favour of a heckler, its basically trading good front line board control for an even better board control unit thats slightly further back. I believe we are hitting another Kriza/gecko/taskmaster debate of having so many options for 1 task just what minor flavour difference you want.
     
  15. Tongfa

    Tongfa ULTRA INSTINCT UKR

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    Is Advanced Deployment Level 1 the same as Forward Deployment Level 1?
     
  16. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    I completely agree, but don't think it's a spanner at all.

    I've been running this a bit recently. When played correctly it's a PITA for your opponent to deal with. But it suffers a bit from being a little 1 dimensional vs Ariadna and Tohaa who just lol at the repeaters and suicide a Warband or a mated trooper through the deployables.

    [​IMG] Nomads - Classic Nomads V2 (300/300 | 5/6)

    Group #1 | 10 Models | [​IMG] 10 [​IMG] 0 [​IMG] 0

    [​IMG] Interventor Lieutenant | Hacking Device Plus, Lieutenant, Combi Rifle, Pistol / Knife (25)
    [​IMG] Interventor Killer Hacker | Killer Hacking Device: UPGRADE: Lightning, Boarding Shotgun, FastPanda, Pistol / Knife (20)
    [​IMG] Moran Observer | Forward Observer, CrazyKoalas, Combi Rifle, Pistol / Knife (22)
    [​IMG] Moran Observer | Forward Observer, CrazyKoalas, Combi Rifle, Pistol / Knife (22)
    [​IMG] Intruder HMG | HMG, Grenades, Pistol / CCW (42)
    [​IMG] Zoe Combi | Combi Rifle, D-Charges, Pistol / Knife (28)
    [​IMG] Π-Well | Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse (19)
    [​IMG] Transductor Zond Repeater | Flash Pulse / Electric Pulse (8)
    [​IMG] Zondbot Servant | Electric Pulse (3)
    [​IMG] Reaktion Zond HMG | HMG / Electric Pulse (26)
    [​IMG] Daktari Doctor | Combi Rifle, Pistol / Knife (14)
    [​IMG] Zondbot Servant | Electric Pulse (3)

    Group #2 | 6 Models | [​IMG] 3 [​IMG] 3 [​IMG] 3

    [​IMG] Zero Minelayer | Minelayer, Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines, Pistol / Knife (19)
    [​IMG] Zero Minelayer | Minelayer, Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines, Pistol / Knife (19)
    [​IMG] Jaguar Chain Rifle | Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades, Pistol / DA CCW (10)
    [​IMG] Morlock Assault Pistol | Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades, Assault Pistol / AP CCW (8)
    [​IMG] Morlock E/M CCW | Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades, Pistol / E/M CCW (6)
    [​IMG] Morlock E/M CCW | Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades, Pistol / E/M CCW (6)

    [​IMG] Open in MayaNet

    Swaping out a Moran for a Jammer Heckler and the KHD for a KHD Heckler leaves me with the same 'Fucking Nomads!' rage-inducing midfield at the cost of either the CRAP Morlock or the Transductor.

    In something like Firefight I can swap out the remaining Moran for a Lunokhod for a more defensive build.

    For a more button pushing build I can run 2 Jammers and 2 KHD Zeros instead of a Moran, the Interventor KHD and Minelayers.

    They're all within 5pts of each other, so it's not hard to mix and match with ~10points available.

    Be grateful that we're not PanO where each of these profiles would be AVA1 in Vanilla and 2-3 in Sectorial.
     
  17. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Yes. The wiki even has a redirect in place for it. :)
     
  18. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    It has a Jammer. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: (where's the :giggles maniacally: emoji?)

    Too bad it doesn't have Zero Gee or Multiterrain...
     
  19. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    I actually really like that the Heckler, Zero, and Bandit each bring something unique to the table. I can make a case for all 3.
     
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  20. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    ideally that is what you want with new releases, you don't want to invalidate existing models where possible.
     
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