Well if the model did not have NWI it would be incapable of self healing and the scenario would be a bit more complex (I cannot remember from the top of my head a shock weapon with template).
Shock templates off the top of my head: Mines Any Remote with assisted fire that also has a template weapon.
I don't think it makes a difference if the model has NWI or not, self healing or healing an unconscious guy on the ground. They are sent to dead. if they are hit by shock AND pass their doctor. a mine? a model with a DTW and Marksmanship 1?
Anything with access to Marksmanship L1 or higher. Shotgun or Missile remotes with Assisted Fire and Zhayedan Marksmanship L2 Breaker Rifle+Light Shotgun come to mind.
Yes, model will be healed and then go direct to dead, with or without NWI. Thanks for the heads up for template weapons with shock.
There's no internal order to being healed and being affected by the attack. You will both be healed to 1 wound and suffer 1 wound at the same time. (Edit: Heh, just found an answer from 2015 where I contradict myself here where I note that take ARM/BTS rolls are written after applying effects of declared skills) Is this an official answer or your own, by the way? Also, how does the case of Akbar Doctor on an Asawira when Asawira gets affected by AP Mine work?
Asawiras are 2w models, with regeneration. I don't think they care about shock ammo? Or we moved on to another question? Sorry, i am to tired to think.
Yes but the (argued) reason things don't die to Shock is that there's a line ’effects are cancelled' if you succeed/fail at DRing during the same order. That rule can arguably be generalised to succeed with Dr but simultaneously take a wound. In which case you'd cancel the successful Akbar Dr roll. Personally I don't like that argument and agree with Storm: but precedent is against him. Also, I think, if you succeed with an Akbar Dr and fail with a Dr)Dr+ at the same time: both results are cancelled and nothing happens. This is an edge case though, you basically just shouldn't do it. Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk
Are you referring to this line from Coordinated Orders? Coordinated Order: Success + Failure If the participants of a Coordinated Order declare the use of a Skill or Equipment such as Doctor, MediKit or Engineer on a common target, then each failure in the Rolls cancels one success. In the event of a draw, the target suffers no effect at all. I don't really feel that's quite the same thing, personally. It's a very particular and specific set of circumstances, and trying to generalize that to others would be "interpreting" the rules so hard they might break. ;)
Yeah: I've never really understood the argument either. I might be building a strawman by mistake. I think it's clear that Avi/Machaon should die to Shock. I also think it's clear that co-ord Dr/Akbar Dr will cancel each other for no effect. Because the success is cancelled (1 failure vs 1succes=0) not the individual wounds (1 failed wound vs 2 successful wounds=1 successful wound recovered). Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk
This seems strange because it implies an order where there shouldn't be any. I could use this to argue (as I briefly did on the old forums) that a Samaritan simultaneously eating someone and receiving a shock hit should become shock immune. I had previously conceded that this wasn't the case (because there must be an order and that order must put Protheion first), but it may be that things have changed? Was this just a case of imprecise language?
Technically everything is resolved at the end, the healing happens at the same time as BS attack, save comes after that, personally I would count the wounds caused and the wounds healed/ gained and make the subtraction. For example model gets healed and gets one wound is a model returns to 1W -1W so unconscious, shock kicks in.
