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Hatail Aelis Keesan update!

Discussion in 'Tohaa' started by Cothel, Mar 7, 2018.

  1. yojamesbo

    yojamesbo purchaser of car seats

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    From the Wiki:

    In the Active Turn and Reactive Turn, a trooper stops being part of a Fireteam in the following cases:

    . . .
    • If the trooper activates or is in a state that allows it to be substituted by a Marker (Camouflage, TO, Impersonation, Holoecho...), unless a Special Skill, piece of Equipment or some Scenario Rule indicates otherwise.
     
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  2. Abrilete

    Abrilete Well-Known Member

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    Fuck.
    Not only the Cybermask + Triangulated Fire trick is Order-expensive. You also need a Command Token to rebuild the Fireteam.
     
  3. perseus

    perseus Angry Clown

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    the best usage i can think about right now is to use her as a killer hacker with viral combi after loosing the makauls.
    take 2 makauls and aeleis viral. go till the ranks of enemy deployment. kill some stuff with makauls and let them die.
    take aeleis, make her cybermasked in a safe spot.

    use other orders and kill things.

    second turn, you can kill things easily with damn viral combi with suprise factor.

    at least we have now a thing in hand that have several tactical options.
     
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  4. sorniak

    sorniak Well-Known Member

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    If you'll do that, you won't have bonuses for surprise attack. So why would you do it?

    Overall Keesan is solid. Not as resilient as kosuil or sukeul or sakiel (she has no symbiot armor), but have scary weapons, tools - sensor, is a scary hacker. I can't say she was much worse with DHD but nice to see a little discount.

    In times Keesan had DHD I won game vs nomads :) (he didn't have KDH, as he supposed no hackers from TOHAA)...Interventor HD+ couldn't break keesan with her -3 wip for firewall and -6 from breakwater. Took her regularly in limited insertion games, especially in highly classified.
     
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  5. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Why though?

    Even if so, that really depends on how bad negative mods imposed on you are.
     
  6. sorniak

    sorniak Well-Known Member

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    Because surprise shot is a short skill and triangulated fire is a long one.
    I think sensor is the best for discovering things and fighting vs camo spam then for triangulated fire thing....
     
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  7. Abrilete

    Abrilete Well-Known Member

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    Because Triangulated Fire is an Entire Order Skill, so you can't move+Triangulated Fire.
    Using Cibermask you can position yourself first with Move, it doesn't matter if the enemy delays or tries to discover you because next half of the Order is Inaction. Then, you use the Order for Triangulated Fire.
     
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  8. melkiach

    melkiach PheroBoosted

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    That's the play
     
  9. perseus

    perseus Angry Clown

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    actually i was not adressing about using triangulated fire with suprise.

    in mid table, bs 12 unit with viral combi is enough dangerous against any unit with suprise attack chance.
    also can do the hacking attempt as well.
     
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  10. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Huh. Never realized that Surprise Shot is a separate Skill.

    Although it's pretty inconsistent way to write the rule that way. Oh well.
     
  11. borings

    borings Well-Known Member

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    You do it to get into position for triangulated fire. Its not a great move, but it is slighlty better, sort of like how this change to aelis isnt great, but makes her slightly better
     
  12. Cothel

    Cothel Well-Known Member

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    Be sure to use the Nimbus Plus Grenades to make it even harder to hit Aelis as she's using the Triangulated Fire. Sure it's one more order, but that -6 the other guy gets might be worth it. It's a trick that is useful every couple of games, but that's about it.
     
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  13. sorniak

    sorniak Well-Known Member

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    Oh, didn't think about it. Great move. Sorry for misunderstanding.
     
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  14. yojamesbo

    yojamesbo purchaser of car seats

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    Worth reminding the Hacker-lite Tohaa community that using Cybermask to surprise an enemy Hacker with Redrum is going to drop a -6 modifier on them. Fun fun fun!
     
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  15. n21lv

    n21lv SymbioHate

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    BTW, just noticed that CB didn't update Aelis's cost in the profiles PDF. Whom to report this? @Koni? @Bostria?
     
  16. Arloid

    Arloid Well-Known Member

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    I believe @-V- goes over fixing the army builder and profile PDF, might be worth a shot on the army builder subforum in the topic for bugs.
     
  17. nehemiah

    nehemiah Well-Known Member

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    I have only used her new profile in a two games so far, (neither time in a list optimized for the mission), but having a KHD with Sensor is great for drawing out those pesky TO/Camo hackers. Also regeneration gives her shock immunity, to help her against a Trinity attack.
    Overall she the change is nice, and as she was a unit I used a lot before HSN3 I think she is worth consideration.
     
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  18. Abrilete

    Abrilete Well-Known Member

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    I've used her in a couple of games, and so far...
    - First game, I tabled my oponent without expending a single Order on her.
    - Second game, she ate two critical hits at the same time.
     
  19. Hiereth

    Hiereth AI Artichoke

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    Aelis is back to her old profile in all of my army stuff, desktop, mobile and app, is anyone seeing something different or have we been jerked around?
     
  20. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    it is probably a bug haqq is missing in its entirety.
     
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