Haqqislam in the age of 3rd Offensive

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by Errhile, Oct 16, 2018.

  1. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    My prediction is that the next book will be about the breaking of the CA into the Human Edge system. A wormhole there will be found to another system, perhaps a Tohaa one where the CA war is being fought, and Human Edge will turn into massive spacefleet clash, where humanity gets it's first genuine victory against the CA (which I hope happens at some point because the background so far is CA attacks and gains loads of ground and is barely contained rinse repeat)
     
  2. vorthain

    vorthain Veteran Novice

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    Can someone remind me what the wormhole situation on Paradiso is? Is there one wormhole that allows aliens and humans to reach Paradiso? And are the CA entirely reliant on the wormhole to reach Paradiso, or do they have vessels traveling through space without it also? My background is rusty as I didn't pick up Uprising or Third Offensive.
     
  3. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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    I would presume that the existence of wormholes would preclude the use of alternative FLT propulsion.
     
  4. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Refer back to Campaign: Paradiso.
    There are several wormholes in Paradiso system, each one leading to different system. If memory serves me there are:
    • the wormhole to EI space (codename Acheron)
    • the wormhole to Tohaa space (codename Daedalus)
    • the one to Human Edge system, (codename Abyss)
    • one to Bouraq (codename Sheyk)
    • one to Ariadna (codename Daybreak)
    • one to Svalarheima (codename Wotan)
    As far as Humanity knows, there are no FTL travel techniques other than through a wormhole. And sending a slower-than-light starship through normal space, well... that would take ages, literally.
     
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  5. Ariwch

    Ariwch Tournament benthotic lurker

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    I see no one remembers of Kums. That's another reason to reduce Ghazis AVA btw. Though Kums maybe need slight rebalance then.
     
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  6. Ariwch

    Ariwch Tournament benthotic lurker

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    I suspect, you need large enough SKU number and I believe, we are close to it.
     
  7. Ariwch

    Ariwch Tournament benthotic lurker

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    give hafzas linkability with ALL core and haris links (2/1 as now),
    reduce al waziri AVA to 3 but give them core link rule,
    make Azrail great again (allow one to join core link of hafzas or waziris),
    allow the brigade to link with waziris,
    give to djans wildcard rule,
    give to djans profile with HMG/TS and ShMR/TS,
    give access to bouzouks-specialist and druze-sniper profiles,
    give Iguana MHMG (Corregidor approves)

    Maybe, a new mercenary to the heap - not Raul, of course, but Arslan (ir was said by Bostria that there will be no unique units for PMCs after all).

    And then let them MRRF QK, I don't care in that case :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
     
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  8. Palomides

    Palomides Well-Known Member

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    As disappointing as the lack of update might feel, we still have the prettiest models and are more than capable of winning games. Let the other factions pursue new, shiny toys. We know that sometimes the old ways are still the best.
     
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  9. Agorapocalypse

    Agorapocalypse Namurr and Nahab are girlfriends

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    Speaking of pursuing shiny new toys. With IA effectively released early instead of in the january spot, how soon does anyone think we might hear of Ramah? Im assuming the next book will have Ramah, Tugunska, probably shas and tohaa too. Also what will they do to release it, since red veil is already confirmed as Ramah starter?
     
  10. Sojourne

    Sojourne Irregular

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    Yeah I hope the next book will feature Shas, Tohaa and hopefully Haqq too. QK definitely needs an update, most of what made them unique, many others now do better. I hope QK get the MO treatment, while releasing Ramah at the same time just like how they just did for Varuna and PanO. But even if that doesn’t come to pass, it’s still okay, I don’t mind if Haqq just keeps getting small releases for awhile. Haha remember that doodle about waiting for Ramah?
     
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  11. vorthain

    vorthain Veteran Novice

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    Given Tohaa haven't gotten a release in all of 2018 (according to folks in the Tohaa forums), there are thoughts about a drastic turn in the background about them.

    What do you feel others better than QK? The mixed links, since Hafzas being functionally wildcard linkers is more common? I might be a bit out of it, but they still seem fine. I'm happy to have my mind changed though.
     
  12. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    I guess the Hafza were the "original Wildcards", but they have been reduced in N3.

    Wildcard can join any Fireteam. Hafzas can't join Druze & Kaplan teams. There's also the limit on number of Hafzas in a Fireteam.

    Flexibility was our trademark in 2ed. We're now feeling outperformed in this area with skills like Lt L2, NCO, Counterintelligence, Tactical Awareness and a couple of others. I mean - shiny toys are being handed out, and we're being skipped.

    Sure, we can still win games. We do have the tool and the will to do that. But the feeling of being overlooked is still there.
     
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  13. Agorapocalypse

    Agorapocalypse Namurr and Nahab are girlfriends

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    Well i agree that Haqq is feeling behind right now, which stinks for one of the big 3 human factions. But i think i have a quick summation of changes id like to see.

    Hassassins:
    -Lasiqs- +1 bs, specialist profile, ava 5 for core link or remain ava 4 if they change Barids
    -Barids- give them some form of linkability with a lasiqs and/or muyibs
    -Govads- Nco or TacAware profiles would be good for them.

    QK:
    -Hafzas- some kind of better wildcard linkability in qk, and some leadership based abilities
    -Azrails- make them linkable again, like in a haris, and give them some special interesting rules to make them more than just a (now mid range priced) ap-hmg or feuerbach.
    -Odalisques- give a speacialist profile, add to their cc capabilities (ikhol with cc18 or 19, and maybe a shock ccw option?)
    After that, just better merc linking and integration in QK would help it stand out a bit more now that new merc sectorals stole our style and new big nation sectorals power creeped us.
     
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  14. vorthain

    vorthain Veteran Novice

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    @Errhile : Fair enough. I guess I don't see Hafzas not linking with mercs as being that bad, and I also don't feel like every sectorial needs every skill. After all, PanO has no LT2 or Counterintel, Nomads have neither LT2 nor NCO, etc

    @Agorapocalypse: A BS13 non-HI would be nice in HB (answer to Sekban and Khawarij in QK and RTF, respectively). Lasiq links at 4 have been around so long with no specialist and capped at 4, it must be a firm design decision. Barid linking would be interesting, though I think I'd want to keep them out of the thick of fighting generally. Govads - yeah, something. Azra'il getting their link back would be nice, but not sure I agree with Odalisque specialist, given Hafzas are a ready-made specialist for any link.
     
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  15. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    I agree, @vorthain. Not every army needs every skill / equipment / weapon.
    But as I said, it is more about the feeling of being skipped than actually being underpowered compared to the new & revised armies.
     
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  16. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Hassassins are very good as they are mind, they cover almost every tactical base.

    I'd do this for Hassassins;

    -Up to one Barid may join any Muyib fireteam.
    -Wildcard Govad
    -Lasqis get a Haris profile

    And for QK;

    -Hafzas gain non-mercenary Wildcard (just more consistent)
    -Do something with MBs and Alguaciles to make them feel worth it, perhaps 1 MB can join a Sekban team or something.
     
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  17. Palomides

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    Lasiq Haris with a KHD (or even better, with Barids in the Haris) would be awesome. Just a small tweak, but one with big ramifications.

    I'm really curious about RTF now. Bostria said once that they would be defined by interesting fireteam options, but now all factions seem to have interesting fire teams. So what could we do to stay unique ?
     
  18. Xeurian

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    I feel like Muyibs don't need much help but I would definitely take a Barid more often in that case.

    As much as I love this idea and would welcome it with open arms, I wish there was something that would spice up their core link a bit. Maybe a doctor? I dunno.
     
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  19. KwarkyMats

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    Linkable Maghariba Guard in a Haris or Core? It's like the only thing I can think of that hasn't been done and is interesting.
    It's very possible RTF had mixed fireteams designed before all the new sectorials got designed and released. (Post-NA2 I guess).

    Some possible links I can think of myself:
    • Ghulams have links + Leilah in HB and QK so I don't think that's going to change in RTF.
    • From a fluff standpoint the Naffatun wouldn't really get a link, it's mentioned they are better left alone because of their flamable equipment. I hope I'm wrong here because a burst 2 HFT would be lovely.
    • Tarik would probably love to jump around with his Khawarij buddies. Seeing as how the Hollow Men can get a full core link, this doesn't seem impossible.
    • Zhayedan are veteran warriors, so I could see them as either wildcards or something else all together. Just like the special Steel Phalanx and Tohaa fireteams, Zhayedan could lead small fireteams. Throw in something like NCO or Tactical Awareness which should make their non breaker rifle profiles an interesting choice.
    • Al Fasid, Tuaregs, Hakims and Saladin himself are unlikely candidates, although I'd love to be proven wrong again.
    • And then there's the units we still don't know about yet. I'd expect at least one more MI and one more HI. As an elite force RTF probably won't get any warband troops other than maybe a character. Someone that fits the supersoldier theme well.
     
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  20. HardDisk

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    We don't need to take out TAGs, we can kill orders, we have good Hackers that can immobilize/isolate/possess TAGs... we don't need Ghazis for it. And you can take out ODD/TO with fire-ammo and we have a good acess to it.

    Agreed, but we also have Kums and another 4-5 ways to put smoke at the table (with smoke launchers, better than smoke grenades), and we don't need 4 ghazis to do it.

    If you have experience, you can put your Ghazis out of trouble for a 4' move too...

    sorry the acid words, but we can't have Ghazis as a crutch. Yes, they're awesome, but we need to know how to work without them.
     
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