I’m not sure what you mean by “except” after quoting me since I agree with you. I’d rather have two weibing than two 8 pts bots and the ability to bring my HI aback from unconscious.
One thing I noticed playing on the weekend again with NWI and such. We need to remember, because of the stupid nested skills, that NWI comes with Courage. That did come into play for me. The Shang Ji or Zuyong will run and hide but the Zhencha will tough it out. Also, even though I had a doctor, I was never able to get to anyone heal them anyways. In fact, some died before my opponent could get his secret objective of Extreme Prejudice. He however did get it on one of the Zuyong. Forgot this was the hacking thread btw. Sorry.
I forgot about Courage being part of NWI the other day, which ended up being to my benefit when my Haidao MSR went prone then promptly forgot about until two turns later when he stood up and one-shot an Ectros in the back. Has anyone given the Liu Xing AHD a try? AD AHDs are usually pretty good if you can pick off enemy hackers, and I've been pleased with my Liu Xing Multi-Rifle's performance so far.
The Liu Xing really needed PH13. In fact, I'd rather it be an AD equivalent to the Hac Tao than what we got, which is just a phantom pain from the sudden loss of the Tiger. As an AHD piece, I really don't think it offers much. It might be able to do the job, but you're paying a lot of points to do something worse than what other factions, including vanilla YJ, are capable of. Not to mention the added vulnerability to killer hackers.
That 1W+NWI+Shock/Bio doesn't save many points compared to 2W. All of 3 points, in that specific case.
I take some numbers of Dice Calc. I play Nomads vs. Yu Jing. Playing my hackers offensively. Zoe is best vs HI. Zoe vs. Zuyong (BTS3) Stop! Vs. Reset. 58% to immobilize the Zuyong! Zoe vs. Hsien Warrior (BTS6) Stop! Vs. Reset. 53% to immobilize the Hsien! Interventor vs Zuyong. Gotcha! Vs. Reset. 48% to immobilize the Zuyong. Interventor vs Hsien Warrior. Gotcha! Vs. Reset. 35% to immobilize the Zuyong. Interventor vs. Zuyong. Oblivion vs. Reset. 35% to isolate the Zuyong. Interventor vs. Hsien. Oblivion vs. Reset. 24% to isolate the Hsien. The numbers are good. With Zoe I have an chance more than 50% to immobilize the Hsien!! And even the Interventor has a good Chance to immobilize the lower BTS-HIs. So it is worth to spend an Order. And there is no Chance to get killed! Watch the Shootout numbers. If my Prowler attacks the Hsien. Spitfire vs. HMG Burst-1. Both without any Mods. There is a Chance of 55% the Prowler gives the Hsien a wound (or more). And a Chance of 18% to get killed. By numbers Hacking is worth its order. Other aspects like no LoF etc. make it even stronger.
On the other hand, it denies one classified (extreme pre...) makes him more resilient agains viral, immune to maestro (the ahd) and gives him courage for 3 points less... i would say he is quite optimized for his duty but it's more likely that i'm just a fanboy ...
I’ve used all Liu Xing profiles to great extent and success (won a tournament with a list sporting 4 BSG Lius. @Bostria actually talks about it in the starter set video lol). I love the unit, Explosion LX is bonkers, the fear opponents get thinking they might face it is palpable and it lands reliably on 15s most of the time. I've killed Kamaus, plenty of REMs, Zhanshis, Fusiliers... The AHD is mainly just a specialist that can push buttons and/or complete hacker/related classifieds while also shooting stuff at close range. I'm not a fan of hacking myself since I believe it to be weak in comparison to other strategies (and easy to avoid/resist/counter as well, even with IA). Those are my two cents!
Ah, ok. Well, if it saves 3 pts per model and I field two haidao and a zencha in a list I’m saving 9 pts. That’s enough to bump a flash bot to a FO bot, which is a fair trade IMO.
That will be a good read. And I'd like to compare your tactics with mine. Just to see how close we are. (I've had great success with mine too. Although, I use mine to drop and clear midfield speed bumps. If the DZ is too well defended.)
Dropping them midfield feels great too. I've gotten Peacemakers and FD1 MIs that way! Batrep should be up tonight, been having a rough week at the office, sorry for the delay :P
IA has 2: The Hac Tao has one too As for the Panguiling acting as a repeater in a duo or haris thing: I think this not ideal, because of the size of the pang. Its too big to go ahead of the Mowang or the Haidao and will provoke AROs from other troopers than a hacker, especially if your Haidao is the link leader. Pang is not good vs. shooting ARO. It is worth a try, but in theory I think you will get movement issues.
KHD Hac Tao is a bit of an odd duck as far as KHD users go, however. While it can do some work to keep the rest of your Army safe, his hifh cost means he'll still be doing most of the legwork if he's in your list anyway. It's more of a self defense tool to keep him functioning in the midfield as the hardest objective grabber in the game than anything else. That's not a bad thing, the required commitment just makes him less flexible than your average KHD.
To me, the biggest problem with the Hac Tao is the lack of infiltration (or other deployment options). High price is less of a problem than lack of mobility.
That's definitely also part of it. YJ's lack of a strong repeater net means you have to spend a lot of orders to get him to where he needs to be to use that device offensively. Still, I feel the KHD Hac Tao serves a purpose, it's just not traditional hacker hunting.
