The Tohaa lists I've dealt with in the last few months are more similar to each other than a couple of redundancies in vanilla Ariadna... Maybe is just my meta... I hope so... To be honest.... Mask
I'm not arguing of the strength of a single piece. In every Army there is a "very powerful" piece. Especially in the 30/40 points brackets... Mask
I still recommend the Paramedic option. Most AD troops are (rightly) avoided because the Combat Jump skill is terribly unreliable, and because paying points to for a skill that costs you orders is no easy mouthful. Sukeul killed the Gao-Tarsos HMG.
I took the HMG layout only once and it was not really good. I prefer the Boarding Shotgun or the Paramedic layout (Para saved 3 games by landing next to an objective and pressing it)
I thought N3 killed the HMG Gao-Tarsos, when the HMG became another choice, not just the best weapon.
I partly disagree. Sure Combat Jump is less reliable, but it's more reliable then Infiltrating in you're opponents half of the table most of the time. A well deployed AD trooper can do a lot of damage when the oppertunity arise and you can always play it safe by deploying on a table edge.
For many people, probably. But I still took the HMG Gao-Tarsos as a walk-on unit or deployable Suppressive Fire turret. The Sukeul, gaining +1 BS, + 1 Burst, and +Mimetism for -1 point, ensured I'd never again touch the Gao-Tarsos HMG in competitive lists. The Sukeul would have been better served as an MI with a just a Mk12, Missile Launcher, or K1 Sniper for faction balance. K1 Sukeul killed the K1 Kosuil and HMG killing the Gao-Tarsos and (for many players, though not me) the Ectros.
I just played Gao-Tarsos HMG this weekend, mmmmm, still love it :D Still love the miniature too And also I still hate him when I remember the first time I asemble it... :p
I see more variations on sectorial lists than in Tohaa lists... And Tohaa have a lot more choices that, for example, Ariadna's sectorials... Mask
Agree... Hopefully something capable of "inspire" some variation in listbuilding... The need of new units, anyway, is not the reason for the "carbon copy" thing I was mentioning earlier. Today is perfectly possible to do a lot of different lists with the troops they have... The problem is that a lot of Tohaa players don't want to.... (at least in my meta... I repeat... ) Mask
More minis will help. Imagine a new unit with a spitfire but with unlimited' pandemonium' We will start to say . This.time no sukeul..
I take the Gao tarsos a fair bit, being able to hit a number of classifieds whilst being a respectable gunfighter cant be sniffed at. As for the carbon copy thing, I think there is some truth in that a chunk of the list tends to be similar. In part though thats due to the tohaa design where you dont need have one big link and build your list around it so they arent as distinct.
I'm still using a Gao Tarsos in most lists. His ability to quickly to get into a position to punish enemy units hidden behind terrain around the center of the table, or to go after back field cheer leaders hiding behind terrain. This is the critical job thats hard to replace with another tohaa unit, besides a Kotail. The Gao Tarsos's main function, which is to come in from the side of the table, on an angle that would both be risky and/or order intensive for most other units to do and lend fire support or purely rambo from a position that is generally hard to defend for most opponents, a Kotail can do this job, but the biggest advantage the Goa Tarsos has is that he generally doesn't have to contend with fire lanes as much and is more order effective than a Kotail at getting to back field cheerleaders. Imho Goa Tarsos and Fraacta units are the best walk on units in the game, both effectively having 2 wounds, generally this means they won't go down to random ARO and they can push further into the opponents back field. Having a HMG gives a Goa Tarsos good range band advantages against most AROs and gives good pie cutting options across the withe of the table as well. Just because the Sukeul gets a HMG, doesnt mean he replaces a Goa Tarsos as a flanking unit. The Sukeul bets a Goa Tarsos all day, every day, as a dakka dakka long range duelist, but he doesn't function as a walk on shock trooper like a Goa Tarsos does.
In 18 months I haven't worked up the courage to try assembling and painting the HMG Gao Tarsos. There is literally nothing I own that I want to experience putting together and painting less, and Gao Tarsos combi is one of my favourite models. Never used him though, cos sukuel with mates is a thing.
It's worth it. Getting a HMG firing across the board is pretty amazing. At first I thought the HMG was not as good as a Fraacta + spitfire or as good points value wise as a the BSG option(its super killy but burns orders), but actually the HMG gives you the option of deploying at a safer distance and usually at a better range band and/or closer to friendly units with better ARO abilities, basically he's a safer AD option because of the HMG, while having the option of being just as killy as other spitfire ADs in the game. Good luck pinning that nightmare together. :)
