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Future of Imperial Service

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Space Ranger, Mar 1, 2019.

  1. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    While I agree with the sentiment perhaps your law enforcement agencies aren't the best comparison. Don't some of your country's police units have old APCs and crap running around? I seem to remember John Oliver making fun of police adverts featuring those
     
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    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    A few old APCs, lots more of those big MRAP trucks. All of which can haul officers around, and which are decently protected against even very well-armed miscreants. Plus, park a 15-ton MRAP bumper-to-bumper with someone and they aren't going anywhere (local cops did that to some felonious actor a few years ago, boxed him in with MRAPs and let him bake in the sun for an afternoon till he wanted to surrender).

    I mean, "Why would any police agency have an actual Abrams/Chally/T72/whatever-your-nation-uses tank?" Not the armored personnel carriers with tracks usually called tanks, I mean something with an actual cannon mounted on it.

    If the criminals are that well-armed, that's not criminal activity anymore, that's rebellion or insurgency, call the army.
     
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  3. yoink101

    yoink101 Chandra SpecOps Complaint Department

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    Law enforcement now, even in the US, uses quite of bit military gear. Police in a police state, do use tanks. There’s no reason ISS shouldn’t have a tag. At the very least, the Su Jian and Achilles should count as tags for the tag missions. There are probably other armies missing tags, but I don’t play them.
     
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  4. Hachiman Taro

    Hachiman Taro Inverted gadfly

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  5. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    I know I'm shit stirring here but counter insurgency is actually one of ISS's duties, Kanren, and all.
     
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  6. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    @Triumph so you agree with me on Miranda fully, but you have a different definition on what design space means.

    Basically as long as Miranda is there, she'll fill the rough space that is a visibility mod skirmish fighter. Although Miranda with more thematic Martial Arts is a Myrmidon.

    Basically, what's preventing Pheasants from getting Mimetism? Miranda. That's what I mean with her squatting design space.
     
  7. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    My point is as she is right now she's barely taken. Now if you added a visibility mod skirmish fighter that's good to ISS, let's say you put the FD2 Ryuken 9 in ISS, simply having Miranda as she stands right now or updating her to make her a slightly tweaked version of them wouldn't cause any problems in terms of infringing design space.

    Now if you update her to be better and to mirror the skirmisher, and having 2 of them on the table becomes a definable balance a problem you do what I said, balance the fucking models, not delete them. Even something as hamfisted as slapping a SWC tax on Miranda would solve the problem. The people who still really want to play Miranda because they own the model can still do just that, but by discouraging her with a balance change you can effectively push her out of the wider, or at least the competitive metagame. However, the people who want to play ODD meme games for laughs don't get mad because they're still allowed to play with their toys.

    That is so completely wrong. The thing stopping Pheasants from getting Mimetism is CB's design for them is all over the show, they are a poorly optimised unit like many inside the faction, and nothing to do with Miranda.

    Ask yourself did Shang Ji getting TacAw stop Zuyong obsoleting them by also getting TacAw? Because it sure as shit didn't buddy. CB were quite happy to slap that rule on both models. The fact that it had caused complications between the two wasn't even a factor they considered.

    Pheasants could be improved by gaining Mimetism and Miranda could well be left as is without causing any overall factional balance issues. Pretending that Miranda is the roadblock between Pheasants getting buffed into gunfighters is absolutely ridiculous. Miranda is crap. She's not occupying any space for a model to compete against.
     
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  8. Sedral

    Sedral Jīnshān Task Force Officier

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    Yeah, sure...

    There is a reason why all the camo units in ISS are mercenaries: Imperial agents don't hide, they're not here to be sneaky. Except Sun Tze, they don't want him to attract too much attention so they gave him a tactical blanket.
     
  9. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    They're part of the counter-insurgency part of ISS, possibly Holo 1 or 2 would be more appropriate. If they want to make a statement all they need to do is losen control of their rabid dogs (Bao)
     
  10. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Psychocrane broadcasts his own dirty work no need for Bao thank you.
     
  11. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    As some have said. ISS is already a very good sectoral. But I feel that all of those good forces I see look exactly the same. No one takes the Bao+Pheasant for one thing and I hardly ever not see Clestial+Kuang Shi. The things I want would hardly make it better or worse I think. Just a bit more fun flavor.

    I disagree on Miranda. I love her. She’s a great specialist that I move up and put into suppressive fire. Sometimes with a BSG companion too but I generally like the Irregular 19pt version. I’ve never seen her be over powering. Sometimes not doing much but be a nuisance. But she’s not competing with anything else either as far as I can see.

    One thing to note on the Zhanying is that if you want something at least discovered, these guys are the one to do it. In a 5-man link (which they can do with Wu Ming, and Crane can do too) they get +3 bonus to discover. They also get a +6 bonus to discover due to Sensor. So even against TO camo they discover on a 16. Note: that applies only to direct line of fire discover. The Sensor skill in ZoC is not an actual Discover skill.

    Does anyone know if Triangulate fire is cumulative with +3 BS Fireteam bonus for shooting? I know you don’t get the burst bonus because it’s a skill. It says you don’t use all other mods but specifically says range, camo, cover.

    I really don’t know what to do with the Pheasant other than making him a Wildcard. That at least gives him some flexibility. He’s a weird mix of abilities. Good but not great in CC but you’d never get him into CC anyway. Good but not great shooting though the Marksmanship LX was a big improvement. Enough that I actually want to get the sniper model.

    It’s true that a TAG is probably overdoing it as far as background goes but then I think a giant robot kitty is also over doing it a bit. I mean how the hell is that supposed be used for law enforcement? That thing is a multi-million Yuan piece of equipment used mainly as an attack piece, and it’s being used by “Police”? That thing has White Banner written all over it for me. Especially due to Climb+ and Multi-terrain. Anyway, I can see a small TAG being used by ISS. Just think of Tank Police or Appleseed Landmates.
     
  12. yoink101

    yoink101 Chandra SpecOps Complaint Department

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    Cowards. Also, extremely petty.
     
  13. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Hardly. CB made a dumb move that upset them, then @Bostria took it a step further and started actively taunting the playerbase. So they decided this game wasn't worth spending money on anymore and pursued other hobbies. If you think people are obligated to give CB money you probably need to rethink how this shit works.
     
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  14. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    @Triumph Psychocrane is also not part of the counter-insurgency, but rather the highest echelon of ISS operatives and absolutely not on anyones leash, which might be the problem.

    @Space Ranger Triangulated Fire is a flat -3 with no MODs what so ever other than -3.
     
  15. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Psychocrane understands he can be whatever he wants to be. He doesn't listen to anybody.

    Sun Tze: "Please stop killing the Japanese peasants."

    Psychocrane: "SHUTUP YOU'RE NOT MY DAD."
     
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  16. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Well, the Hassassin Bahram - and they have nothing that would even resemble a TAG (or potentially count as one), regardless of how much hashish you'd have smoked...
     
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  17. yoink101

    yoink101 Chandra SpecOps Complaint Department

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    Don’t get me wrong, it sucks for you who got abandoned by other players. Vanilla Yu Jing is fine. It’s still doing well. Change is hard sometimes, I guess.
     
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  18. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    And this is the point I guess where we must ask ourselves "what does this have to do with the topic?"
     
  19. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Psychocrane or people quitting over deleting models from armies?


    It doesn't help anything when your PR guy is incompetent and rather than attempting to put out fires he tips petrol on them.
     
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  20. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Psychocrane is way way off topic.

    People who quite because their waifu gets nerfed or reassigned deserves scorn.
     
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