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Fun with Cadmus

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by smog, Aug 13, 2019.

  1. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget your Shrouded!
     
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  2. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    True but the Caliban have the same FD2.
     
  3. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    Infiltration on a PH12 troop is functionally identical to FD2 ;).
     
  4. ijw

    ijw Wargaming Trader, Freelance Editor (UK)
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    Aw hell no. ;-) Apart from Infiltrating a further 4”, I frequently push Shrouded Minelayers and Dazer-layers over the halfway line.
     
  5. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    I could see risking it if you are bringing max AVA, but < 50% chance of success is too risky for my blood (and most of my meta, as it turns out).

    If I really want that mine on the enemy half, I'll bring a Speculo (or two!).
     
  6. ijw

    ijw Wargaming Trader, Freelance Editor (UK)
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    Who said it’s instead of the Speculo Minelayer? :smiling_imp:
     
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  7. Hero of Sparetime

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    sorry guys.... but if I put a prone marker to that S0 Seed Soldier what I have to tell my opponent as open Info? That is is S0 because of prone and nothing more or that is prone and S0 and actually S2? I´m confused....
     
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  8. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    A Seed is always S0, so if you don't denote the Trooper as Prone you would tell you opponent "This is a S0 Camouflaged Marker".

    If you do choose to deploy prone you would tell your opponent "This is a S0 Camouflaged Marker in the Prone State".
     
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  9. Hero of Sparetime

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    Thanks!
     
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  10. toadchild

    toadchild EI Aspect
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    If you have a prone shrouded and a prone seed soldier they are indistinguishable.
     
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  11. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    I feel like several people are saying the same thing here in violent agreement, but just in case we have someone new wondering what the difference is:

    A seed soldier in the prone state is a S0 camo marker in the prone state.

    A shrouded in the prone state is also a S0 camo marker in the prone state (because, being prone makes you S0).

    So there is no visible difference to an opponent, since they only know what silhouette the camo marker is, and what states apply to it, not what the model underneath is.
     
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  12. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Well, wish me luck. I'm trying this in Capture and Protect tonight.

    Shasvastii Expeditionary Force
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)
    CADMUS-SOLDIER Hacker (EI Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 24)
    CADMUS-SOLDIER Red Fury / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 27)
    NOX Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (Normal and Nimbus plus) / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 17)
    NOX HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 21)
    NOX Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Zapper / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    CALIBAN (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife, CC Weapon. (0 | 30)
    SHROUDED (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Dazer / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    SHROUDED Hacker (EI Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 30)
    SPECULO KILLER (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenades, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Monofilament CCW, Knife. (1.5 | 39)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2
    SEED-SOLDIER (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    TAIGHA Chain-colt / DA CC Weapon. (0 | 6)
    TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

    Open in Infinity Army
     
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  13. bloodw4ke

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    Good luck! Please let us know how the Cadmus/Red Fury performs - it looks interesting on paper but I've not had the chance to field it yet.
     
  14. Thirstx

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    Oh I can contribute here! I've used it (Red Fury) in about 4-5 games now. Due to it's loadout I don't use it as a roadblock or anything like that, but instead look for high ground with good angles to hatch. I've successfully Scanned a Gamma troop and proceeded to murder my opponent's backline from a high vantage point. I think you have to approach your placement like you would climbing plus, in order to deny cover to your targets where possible. I've thrown it away on accident due to bad hatch position once, and have tried to use it like a boarding shotgun and land behind targets but that didn't work for a variety of reasons. If you can get good placement you shouldn't need to scan to be successful (I've only hit the jackpot once), and should focus on destroying your opponents orders/support if possible. In the same list I run Double Speculo so after they feel it's safe to move around I drop another threat in to either support the surviving speculo or to clear the way for my midfield/Gwailos.
     
  15. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Well I played Bakunin and it was a total disaster! I went second, therefore it was bad. It was good terrain for both of us but somehow he still saw my Nox. Lt. (bad placement by me) and killed him first turn. Pretty much downhill from there. Once he rolled out his Uberfall, i knew it was over.

    it didn’t help i was, as usual, rolling horribly. I had the EVO drone and still rolled 17 and 18 to drop. One went off table. BTW what happens to them if it sets up on a board edge? do you loose the decoys? The Red Fury was able use the decoys to get back on target to being next the objective. I took some shots at Riot Grrl and he took one wound and shrugged off the rest. We ended up not even finishing because he had routed me by the second turn and he was going to get the objective.

    Honesty it was not a fun game for me. I think in the 10+ years of playing Shasvastii, i've won less than 10.
     
  16. ijw

    ijw Wargaming Trader, Freelance Editor (UK)
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    All three Decoys will be in your Deployment Zone, touching a table edge.
     
  17. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. All three must touch?

    Edit never mind. You pretty much said that. Thanks again @ijw
     
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  18. Hero of Sparetime

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    Guys I have a question that came up in my last game with the Cadmus. Its about the chest mine and the seed embryo state.... if the cadmus is in this state and want to declare a ARO can he only declare Hatch or can he also declare using the chest mine even he is in seed embryo state?
     
  19. theradrussian

    theradrussian Well-Known Member

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    Maybe a valid reason to mix flat "classic" camo markers and the ones with an actual model silhoutette on them?
     
  20. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    Chest Mines are a valid ARO option for a seed-embryo. Indeed, the developed form does not have the chest mines and cannot use them.
     
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