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First Morat Lists C&C

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by KaiAgni, Apr 5, 2018.

  1. KaiAgni

    KaiAgni Member

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    Morats are by far my favorite faction in the game. I have always enjoyed everything about them. The story line, the profiles, the models and even the profile emblems. Once I found a fabulous deal on a lot I couldn't say no.
    So I am here now the learn the ways of war!

    This is what I will be working with for an extended period of time.

    [​IMG] Current Morat Collection
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    [​IMG] SOGARAT Feuerbach / Assault Pistol, AP CCW. (1.5 | 57)
    [​IMG] SOGARAT AP HMG / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 56)
    [​IMG] SOGARAT AP HMG / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 56)
    [​IMG] SOGARAT AP HMG / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 56)
    [​IMG] SURYAT Heavy Rocket Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 39)
    [​IMG] SURYAT HMG / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 44)
    [​IMG] SURYAT Lieutenant MULTI Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 41)
    [​IMG] SURYAT Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 37)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] OZNAT Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 18)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 34)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT Boarding Shotgun, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 27)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 29)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 32)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 36)
    [​IMG] KORNAK Mk12, Light Flamethrower / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 41)
    [​IMG] RAKTORAK Combi Rifle + Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] RAKTORAK Vulkan Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] ZERAT Hacker (EI Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] ZERAT MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    [​IMG] MORAT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] MORAT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] MORAT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] MORAT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] MORAT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] MORAT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] RAICHO MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 91)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] RAICHO PILOT 2 Heavy Pistols, D-Charges, Knife. ()
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] T-DRONE Smart Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 18)
    [​IMG] E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)
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    I know that there are no Rodoks or Hungaries but they will be ordered after I strip and paint all of this. So a long while.

    This is what I thought could be a reasonable list.

    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]3
    [​IMG] KORNAK Lieutenant Mk12, Light Flamethrower / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 41)
    [​IMG] RAKTORAK Vulkan Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] SURYAT HMG / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 44)
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] T-DRONE Smart Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 18)
    [​IMG] ZERAT (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 34)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3
    [​IMG] MORAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)
    [​IMG] MORAT (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] MORAT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    I also play Recon+ which is a bit more difficult to build for with Morats so I came up with this.

    [​IMG] Recon+
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    [​IMG]8 [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] MORAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)
    [​IMG] MORAT HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 22)
    [​IMG] MORAT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] ZERAT (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] T-DRONE Smart Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 18)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] RAKTORAK Combi Rifle + Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)

    3 SWC | 149 Points

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    Comments and Criticisms please. If you are going to suggest any replacements please use list of models I provided. Not buying anything in the near future.
     
  2. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    Okay, how in the blazes did you get 4 Sogs? You'll use 2 of those at best :D

    Seriously, though, there's no such thing as a 'good' list in Infinity. It all depends on which mission you'll play and how. I wouldn't recommend the T-Drone, though. You'd better proxying it as a Q-Drone to add more teeth to your list. Other than that, please post which mission you're going to play and your experiences with it so we can really help you out.

    Welcome to the MAF, mate. Good luck killing the smelly humans.
     
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  3. Styx

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    Hi mate, read this section, maybe you can work for the moment on official proxys with you all have, and work for some list and try other profiles if u want to play.

    https://www.infinitythegame.com/blog/news/item/474-its-s9-proxies-rules-a-change-for-improvement

    So, ill recommend for you, playing a lot on hungries party as a base core, very cheap team, quickly and dangerous, then u can play with kornak special haris +raktorak+suryat, or with 2scnd team core like Rodoks. U have a lot of miniatures to do proxys at the moment, if u want Rodoks, try to using Suryats as proxys that HMG and HRL and 1 raktorak or something, as the heavy weapons on rodoks link for an example.

    If u want try hungries party for the moment, play with Oznat and 4 vanguards, as proxy to hungries, they have the same silouette. So, 40pts team core and 5 regular orders, cheap and wonderful.

    Also, a couple of Ikadrons, cheap orders and as 3dr option to go suicide with that 2 flamethrowers.

    Q-drone over T-drone, with assited fire.

    Grenadiers profiles over T-drone, with that combo:
    [​IMG] spec grenade combo
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    [​IMG]7 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] ZERAT Hacker (EI Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] ZERAT (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] ANYAT K1 Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)

    1.5 SWC | 150 Points

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    From wiki on M drone combo with an EVO on list.

    SENSOR SHORT SKILL
    Attack, Optional, Zone of Control.
    REQUIREMENTS
    EFFECTS

    SAT-LOCK ENTIRE ORDER
    Comms Attack, Comms Equipment, Optional, No LoF, Zone of Control.
    REQUIREMENTS

    EFFECTS



      • This Roll applies no further MODs (for Range, Cover, CH, ODD...) or bonuses unless otherwise specified.
      • Upon a successful Roll, the target enters the Targeted state, signified by a Targeted Marker (TARGETED).
      • The user need not have LoF to the target.
      • With this Special Skill, the Comms Attack may be declared against an enemy Camouflage or TO Camouflage Marker. In that case, a successful Roll not only tags the target as Targeted, but also Discovers him, replacing the Marker with the target's model.
    EVO HACKING DEVICE AUTOMATIC EQUIPMENT
    Comms Equipment
    REQUIREMENTS
    EFFECTS

    • Allows the use of SWORD L1, SHIELD L2 and all GADGET programs.
    • In addition, allows the use of the following GADGET-EVO programs:
    • This piece of Equipment allows players to enlist REMs in their Army List.
    • The EVO Hacking Device allows use of the Tactical Support Systems, a series of automatic and simultaneous Bonuses:
      • EVO Hacking Device allows the use of Hacking Programs in a Coordinated Order. It is not mandatory for all the Hackers in the Coordinated Order to use the same Hacking Program.
      • This piece of Equipment allows players to spend a Command Token to re-roll a single failed Normal or Face to Face WIP Roll when declaring the use of a Hacking Program. The player may re-roll just one die, no matter the Burst value of the Hacking Program he used.
      • The player who has the second Player Turn may spend a Command Token to deploy one troop with the EVO Hacking Device with one GADGET-EVO Supportware Hacking Program active. During the Deployment Phase the player will place the corresponding Supportware Marker with the EVO Hacker Device bearer on the table. This action is not considered a Strategic Use of the Command Token.
      • This piece of Equipment automatically provides a Bonus that nullifies the -6 MOD to the WIP Roll for the Sat-Lock Special Skill for any friendly trooper.
      • An EVO Hacking Device automatically provides a +3 PH Bonus to the Airborne Deployment Special Skill. This Bonus is not cumulative with the Controlled JumpSupportware Hacking Program, nor with the Bonus provided by other additional EVO Hacking Devices.
    You can run with WIP13 on M-dron + EVO using Stalock, against WIP10 on Zerat AHD using Spotlight and exposing her over enemy KHD infiltrated, also Sensor to discover infiltrated CAMO or TO deployement if you have luck. Then, when are already make the targets state, just roll into full orders on spec fire with Zerat grenadier on 18s or Krakot on 19s (22s if he had +3PHY on metachemistry roll) against enemy PHY on -3 for that AoE attack, forcing to dogde the target marked and other camos non discovered, forcing dogde+reveal action to avoid the template.

    - Bit&Kiss, please, consider her to bring in your forces always, that's a beast KHD on CA, we don't have Kerr-Nau but Bit&Kiss yes. Very cheap, u have pticher and ikadrons to reload if you need, positionable repeaters too, Kiss with ADHSL put with assited fire and 2 markers in cybermask state on 1 entire order (if you pass the roll), also you can play her with coordinated order with EVO, when you losing Kiss or... using Kiss on disconected mode (out of Bit ZC) and smashing any enemy hacker with Maestro attack + caleidoscope supportware (before the action) + breakwater/brainblast on EVO.

    - Ikadrons, 1 or 2, cheap orders, flash pulse and couple of flamethrowers.
    - EVO&M-drone as a main button pushers, before Zerats and other Morat specs. Quick and multiterrain REMS.
    - Dr.Worm, your main engineer and doctor, also your 2scnd quick button pusher.
    - Zerats your main specialists on vanguard zone, button pushers and skirmishers.
    - Hungries party, grants to you a nice and cheap core, using as a main brute force on CC, Vulkan cheap beast, and quick very quick team to flank. Also a big and little order farm for: haris teams or that Raicho tag.

    - Q-drone, that REM beast in active turn are your main or 2scnd heavy punch with assisted fire, consider him a lot to bring in your direct action games.
    - Rasyat, absolute CC beast if you can't go with daturazzis, oznat or kornak(haris or core) to deploy him on especific table point and kill your potential menace, after leaving on the ground abuse the Rasyat stealth from Natural Born Warrior and shoot anything by the back, or drop eclipse grenade and kill on CC.
    - Morat hacker, if you don't need a Rasyat or not going on a hard hacking play, just pay 22pts to put fairy dust on Suryats or Sogarats or assisted fire on Q-drone.
    - Mines, on Zerats, Rodoks team or on Kurgats, take advantage on this when you can secure your table points. Also Bit repetears on Pitcher and the deployable repeaters too, to covering your defensive net when you playing with Suryats (without tinbots bonus) or Sogarats against H/AHD, and ofc, to increase your attackhacks/supportware on your drones (on Q-drone for example).

    If you like a lot to play with T-drone, you need 3rd REM to secure the mark state, that Zerat FO are a bit risky to targeting and exposing her a lot, with EVO+M and some smoke templates, you can run with satlocks anywhere, then play with T-drone but remember... you only have 5 orders on shoots, the grenadiers team it does not affect them bcs they using especulative fire, and that combo requires on a high order list.
    Guided. In Active Turn, this weapon can make a BS Attack against a target in the Targeted state, ignoring LoF and making a BS+6 Roll (This includes the Targeted MOD. Apply no other MODs for Range, Cover, CH: Camouflage, etc.).
    • Resolve the Attack with a Face to Face Roll if it used an Impact Template Weapon, or if the target had LoF to the attacker.
    • When using the Guided Trait, the weapon's B is always 1, ignoring all possible bonuses and Modifiers.
    • The Guided Trait is limited to 5 Attacks per Active Turn.
    • Guided projectiles are Hackable and can be neutralized by ECM.
    That M-Drone only fears an AHD, for isolation or INM-1 state, you have dr-worm to bring back for the isolation status and you have 13WIP to do reset for INM-1, it's so easy and more clear before risky Zerats for that, 17pts vs 22 FO or 25 0,5 SWC on a AH. So, you only need Bit&Kiss waiting for enemies H/AH/KHD to run better your M-Drone bait.

    So, that part are the unusual tactics on MAF, avoiding the heavy firefigths, and looking for the close combats on speculative fire and the firefigths with the boarding shootguns/chain/flamethrowers/mines and combi rifles also the CC on hungries party. That's an example: 18 orders and some tricks.
    [​IMG] some orders
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] ZERAT (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] ZERAT Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] ANYAT K1 Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    [​IMG] MORAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 14)
    [​IMG] Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]5
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] RASYAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] OZNAT Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)

    3 SWC | 300 Points

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    Out of that, on core teams viable are the Rodoks and Suryats for flexibility, Rodoks on other "spam order" list or in LI with a Raicho+Bit+Anyat, Suryats team on LI, and the most normal Kornak special haris or Yaogat sniper team haris. And i can add to you, the Krakot unit, don't have smoke and mimetism but you have a impetuous order non required on the starting turn if you don't need moving the Krakot, aslo are a better grenadier than a daturazzi on extremely impetuous mode, also a great profile to add support on chemistry and forward deploy with Zerats... and he are a beast on CC like Kornak too on berserker mode carryng DA weapon.

    So, you have all Morat miniatures, out of Rodoks, but now you can play as proxys whit all, so... you can play with 1 Sogarat as a s3 Remote too if you want some drones.


    Try this on your little points games, you run with 10 orders always with hungries party and also you can put Sogarat LT if you don't want some tricks, on 150pts games, from CA the most dangerous cheap beast are the Q-drone with assisted fire. On Maf maybe the Sogarat bcs on this games you don't have a lot of points and SWC to kill heavy armoured troops, also medics/engineers. Try the hungries party, mate.
    This:
    [​IMG] some orders
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    [​IMG]6 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]6
    [​IMG] M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] ZERAT (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] ZERAT Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] OZNAT Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)

    0.5 SWC | 150 Points

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    If you don't running with LT rules on your non-ITS games, works fine. Before playing in ITS missions and rules, think first on the missions are you going to play, then, make some list thinking on 2 tips; do the mission jobs using tactical profiles or clear the table with combat profiles, then you make the list do the job: clean the table and pushing buttons, or clean the table, or playing dirty and pushing buttons, you can do some tricks with that profiles on MAF, direct combat with core bonus, supportware on drones, antihack game, skirmish game or hunting CC game and bring alone profiles like: raicho, sogarat HGM, Q-drone or rasyat as solo rambos, then push buttons. Read all the ITS9 missions when you have the time and you can compose your army list, having better idea how to run your best ways in your playing style.
     
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  4. KaiAgni

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    I bought a lot for a ridulously low price. :)
     
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    I understand tailoring lists to missions but I am just trying to make sure I am moving in the right direction. Not missing on obvious things, while trying something new different.

    Thanks for the advice and I will do my best to break some necks.
     
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    Thank you very much! This is the kind on information I wanted. I am sure I will reread it multiple times to absorb most of it and probably half a dozen games or more to implement it.

    As for the proxies I am aware of the new rules. With the exception for different profiles I as a rule don't use them. It is a personal quark that i pay for but it is what it is. I like painted models too so I am in for it over the next couple of months. Luckily this models are painted ish so I will strip and repaint at a more leisurely pace.

     
  7. paraelix

    paraelix Well-Known Member

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    Do try and keep in mind that your own thought process and play style will also impact your gameplay.

    I, for one, struggle to separate the fluff from the gameplay and shy away from particular choices as a result. Similarly, I find it hard to invest in expensive units - preferring to run Vanguard links in most my lists, regardless of how many people tell me they're uncompetitive.
     
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    I personally remember order starving myself with Pan O many times. I too feel like the "pain train" link team and alike are such huge investments and unless you have run them many times you will likely find yourself short by end game.

    What type of link Vanguard link teams do you run?
    Also since what are your thoughts on Sargent Major Rakotrak?
     
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    paraelix Well-Known Member

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    Anyat plus HMG plus 3 combis is standard. Usually all 3 as FO. Anyat is a super versatile.
     
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  10. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    Conversely, I hate the Vanguard team. I have used them effectively exactly ONCE, and in one particularly stupid case of bad dice, Anyat failed to kill a model after shooting at it 16 times! (4 orders). So after that I never put anything other than a vanguard hacker in my lists.

    One thing I said about MAF and I will say again: They have one of the largest if not the largest number of link team options in the whole game, with 6 options of core teams and 4 options of haris. That is a lot of room for changing, mixing and finding your best pick.

    My favorites are the Hungries+Oznat Core, Rodok core and Suryat Haris, but I have used Yaogat Haris and core, sogarat haris and suryat core all to some success in the past, and many players here swear by the kurgat haris, so you know the options are all decent in their own right.
     
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  11. Styx

    Styx Cat.IE~~

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    Vanguard team as the cheap basic SWC, more cheap than Rodoks and Yaogats, but they don't have any special things, only when you add Anyat and just run to play as an agressive core. As a basic core to support on Raicho or Sogarat haris can be work, if you add 1 ML and x2 FO near on your Q-Drone and Sogarat Fuerbach, decent team for ARO turn, but they are a expensive on terms of order cost and defensive playstyle, for that, the Rodok ML on team core near on a Q-drone i think is your best investement points for do ARO, and the Sogarat Fuerbach near Q-drone same aswell.

    ** The best way to playing MAF, are on active turn, in your reactive turn, the better options are hiding all on prone and using dodge. The Morat rules are cool but expensive in points on the table, so, you need your orders to do things in the rest of turns. Playing with brain.

    Just think on terms of points and playstyle:

    Normal fireteams options. *Special cores/haris options.
    -Vanguard team cost: 115pts and 3 SWC (hmg+ml) or 2.5 (hmg+hacker) aprox.* Anyat included. 5 orders.
    - Rodok team cost: 125pts and 1.5 SWC (only HMG) with minium less points than a complete SWC squad. 5 orders on super jump + mimetism.
    - Yaogat team core cost: 154pts and 3/or less SWC (sniper+panzerfaust or+ spitfire). 5 orders on 5 mvs2, 3ARM and nothing more special things.
    - Suryat team core cost: 183pts (with special team option) and 4 SWC (HMG+HRL).* 6 orders with Kornak LT+MK12, Raktorak as unique spec on team and a couple suryats with tinbots + 4/5 units with special terrain.
    *- Sogarat haris team cost: 154pts and 3SWC (GMHAP+Fuerbach). 4 orders including KornakLT.
    *- Kornak+Raktorak+suryat haris team cost: 108pts and 2 SWC (Suryat HMGtinbot). 4 orders on kornak LT.
    - Yaogat haris team cost: 93pts and 2SWC (sniper+1 panzarfaust). 3 orders including LT option with free panzerfausct SWC.
    - Suryat haris team cost: 120pts and 3 SWC (only HMGtinbot LT and 1 SWC cost to form haris option). 3 orders. *Also you can add a Raktorak to less the point cost and adding specialist and are the 2scnd special haris option, or including Kornak with 2 suryats and increase the points but downgrade that 1SWC bcs you have Kornak forming for free the special haris, now with 4 orders.
    - Suryats duo team cost: 80pts or less and 2 SWC if you add HMG or HRL. 2 orders.
    *- Kurgats haris team cost: 54pts and 1 SWC. 3 orders and go with 3 engineers with mines and D charges.
    *- Hungries team cost: 36pts as a minium cost with vulkan weapon +4 gakis. 5 regular orders before breaking/losing the team, after that you got 1 regular from oznat and 5 extrem. impetuous + 4 irregular orders.
    - Daturazi team cost: 85pts and 0.5 SWC (with smoke launcher + DA CCW, increasing cost). 5 regular orders and breaking/losing link on next turn gains 5 extrem. impetuous "5 regulars and 5 extrem. = 10 orders). Another full mimetism team + MA on Stealth, all dodgin smoke as special tricks.
    So, you can run with that options links and play whit all when you need on specific misions or tricks on your list/playstyle, also the enemy too its better to engage for an example: "enemy BS11 base and bonus link up to +6BS, play with Rodoks that -3BS on mimetism, they have all time -3BS including full team bonus, and go on BS11s base on dice rolls, and rodoks going to 15s on 5 HMG dices".


    About Raktorak, are the flexible profile on haris/core on Suryats team, cheap operative on this links with Vulkan/combi+flamethrower, also have special terrain. As a solo rambo, you can go with combi or red fury, he have a decent base stats but really, he are a great profile to invested into suryats haris/core, giving more flexibility and less points in the team (raktorak+ikadron/r-drone = 1 free order more, than a 1 cheap Suryat) as can do suryats without raktorak.
     
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  12. itsuncertainwho

    itsuncertainwho Well-Known Member

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    This is a personal favorite base to build from:

    [​IMG] Morat Aggression Force
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    [​IMG]10 [​IMG]5
    [​IMG] YAOGAT (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 30)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 32)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 29)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)

    2.5 SWC | 185 Points

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    A core of Daturazi to charge across the board tossing smoke everywhere with a Haris of Yaogats following with panzerfausts and spitfire. The Ikadrons are there to keep the burst 2 panzerfausts fed. A solid screen of smoke lets the Yaogats hunt with a purpose.

    You could certainly replace the Daturazi core with an Oznat and Hungries. I find the Daturazi are a larger threat due to the grenades.
     
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  13. KaiAgni

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    Certainly taken notice of that. What do you think about taking smaller core link teams?
     
  14. Styx

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    You losing your bonus core on active turn from that +3, that bonus provides better chances in that sectorial on BS11-12 or special BS13 or max on BS14 (kornak-Raicho-Q-dron assited fire) when you want looking for shooting engages (always with HMG on bonus).

    See this examples in comparision on full link teams, providing resevation orders and 2sncd full core bonus. Only runing always as hungries main core.

    [​IMG] example1
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]5
    [​IMG] OZNAT Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] KORNAK Lieutenant Mk12, Light Flamethrower / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 41)
    [​IMG] RAKTORAK Vulkan Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] SURYAT HMG + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 45)
    [​IMG] SURYAT Heavy Rocket Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 39)
    [​IMG] SURYAT Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 38)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    4.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    16 orders on; kornak special haris + raktorak +suryat (HMG or HRL), Suryats duo on; HMG/HRL + combi/flamethrower tinbot. Main core of hungries providing orders on haris and duo, then, go suicide the hungries and forming the Suryats special core. 2scnd group its only for support/mission pushers.

    [​IMG] example3
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] RODOK HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 27)
    [​IMG] RODOK Lieutenant Combi Rifle, 2 Light Shotguns / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)
    [​IMG] RODOK Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    [​IMG] RODOK Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    [​IMG] RODOK Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    [​IMG] Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] ZERAT Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]5
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] OZNAT Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)

    3.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    17 orders, runing on hungries as main core on 2scnd gruop, providing orders on Q-drone, then go suicide the core, group1 Rodoks forming new core and some cheap orders and again bit/evo/m presence + Krakot grenadier or CC and a zerat skirmisher.


    [​IMG] example2
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]5
    [​IMG] SOGARAT Feuerbach / Assault Pistol, AP CCW. (1.5 | 57)
    [​IMG] SOGARAT AP HMG / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 56)
    [​IMG] KORNAK Lieutenant Mk12, Light Flamethrower / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 41)
    [​IMG] OZNAT Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4
    [​IMG] MORAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)
    [​IMG] MORAT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] MORAT (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] ANYAT K1 Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)

    5 SWC | 300 Points

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    14 orders, losing dr.worm but you have 2 Sogarats with automedkit and not backup the Q-drone if you losing him. Vanguard core with Anyat only to reagroup in 1 team to cross the field and go for pushing buttons, only a hacker to buff Q-drone before starting your 1st turn. This list you can skip the Q-drone and vanguard hacker and put 1 ML and the 5th vanguard to run on 2scnd full vanguard link, and the same 14 orders. On direct action games, can be work, but the other 2 list from above i prefer to run. More orders and some tricks and compositions. That's my point of view to playing full core always in any sectorial in the game, and when you have this expanded options on MAF, you can work on this things.
     
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  15. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    One thing: remember that if you have more than 1 core team you need to juggle them with command tokens, and those are a limited investment. I particularly don't like that strategy, but it IS effective (I have ran a Hungry core + Rodok core a few times, and it did work wonders).

    My preferences are strongly with the Hungries or Rodoks for fireteams, and I always try to bring a full 5 monkey team for that +3 BS on active turn (and the ocasional hilarious situation when my missile launcher rodok cleans house on ARO duty).

    If you are going to use shortened teams, it's better to focus on Rodoks, Suryats, Yaogats or Daturazi, as they all bring something extra that can be useful .

    [​IMG] Morat Aggression Force
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]3
    [​IMG] SURYAT Lieutenant HMG + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 45)
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] MORAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 34)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 30)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT Boarding Shotgun, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 27)
    [​IMG] Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]3
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    This list, for example, has two 3 monkey teams and I would run it in a killy mission like Frontline, where I need to advance and shoot stuff dead. It can use smoke to help the snipers and the daturazi themselves are quite dangerous if they can make it close enough.
     
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