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First impressions on Vedic now that it's on army?

Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by Bard, Sep 10, 2018.

  1. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Yeah - rereading it - I read 2/3 as 2 or 3 not as 2/3rds.

    That assumes you can do it again. Which is unlikely given the other options available.

    She's playable: but Sup Inf to fork a link is asking for her to fluff her rolls.
     
  2. GorkkTheOrc

    GorkkTheOrc Active Member

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    Random question about Father Sforza, does he have 2 profiles now? As in 1 for OSS and 1 for being a Merc?

    Seems much easier to hide him now that he generates a regular order in OSS.
     
  3. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    New Andromeda profiles are OS only, per the Profiles PDF.
     
  4. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    There's the 'old' Sforza, Authorized Bounty Hunter, and now there's the Regular Sforza, Registered Bounty Hunter who was added to ISS and now to OperationS.
     
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  5. GorkkTheOrc

    GorkkTheOrc Active Member

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    Perfect, that's what I figured I just wanted to make sure, not used to seeing double profiles for mercenary units. Now he's all registered and official! :)
     
  6. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    Quick question in regards to the Andromeda/Frontovik convo. Only the ones in ZOC get to delay right, not all of them? Would that then mean that the ones out of ZOC would not get an ARO if those inside choose to Delay?
     
  7. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    Not completely. The Sup Inf are OSS only. The FD2 is for everyone, by the PDF.
     
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  8. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    Ah, the hyphen looked like an asterisk on the default zoom setting.
     
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  9. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    Am I doing the math right that an Aspara supported Daikini LGL is Spec Firing on a target unit on 22s? 13BS +3 Targets. +3 Range +3 Link
     
  10. Hachiman Taro

    Hachiman Taro Inverted gadfly

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    Yes only the ones in ZOC get to delay. The ones outside ZOC have to declare any ARO available to them immediately (they might not have one immediately if they are outside ZOC and facing the wrong way). If they get shot with the second short skill that will grant them an ARO due to SSL2 if the link is 4+ members though (or if it's a template they get hit with). If in the resolution phase this results in different fireteam members declaring different AROs, the ones who declared differently from the majority of the link are out of the link. If they declared no ARO, that's not a different ARO, so they stay in. It's a bit complicated.
     
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  11. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    Hmm. Could be some corner cases in there then.
     
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  12. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    On a unit in the targetted state, yes. But a Dakini without Apsara support would still be hitting on 20s in that same scenario - and could have supportware for the Shock effect.
     
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  13. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    Regular Sforza - is there a reason to take him, or a place for him in this Sectorial? 30pts is a steep price for Holo2 Dogged with no Specialist capabilities.
    Regular ABH - is there a reason to take these dudes? The CSU look like a no-brainer, better option than these if you need human plebs to fill space. Similar stats, but CSU are cheaper, have specialist options, and are linakble with Deva/Dakini.
     
  14. Solodice

    Solodice Kinda-Known Member

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    Sforza - He's a fine killer. Viral Rifle with an X-visor is nothing to sneeze at on top of using his surprise attack from Holo2. He has a place in the sectorial thematically and mechanically. He doesn't need to be a specialist either... which is more about ITS (not everyone plays it either). That or everyone keeps getting hung up on super-stupid optimized specialists.
    ABH - I guess they're there when you run out of CSUs to take...
     
  15. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    I'm not hung up on optimised Specialists - though I do exclusively play ITS. I'm just not feeling he offers much without it.

    Holo2 is just a dumb set of rules that is largely counterintuitive and very complex to use. I don't feel the Holo1 list trick is really relevant to OS composition. Otherwise he's a bs13 shooter at the 30 point mark - so pretty much in the range of Dart or a Yadu, who have better defensive capabilities, deployment options, linkability, etc.
     
  16. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache

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    Sforza carries a much nastier weapon than any of the Yadus, and is equipped with the best mineclearing device in the game. Also gives him access to Surprise Shot.

    Finally, with XVisor he's the perfect option to move into midfield and put into suppression. Let your enemy enjoy themselves trying to dig him out.

    Sure, Yadus are more resilient due to higher ARM and NWI, but not that more resilient.
     
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  17. Scutarii

    Scutarii Active Member

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    Do we know if Suboficial is meant to be NCO on the Yadu?

    My understanding is that NCO converts the Lt order into regular so the Yadu could use both from lt lv2 to fuel their link?

    I.e.: Asura HD lt lv2 plus 2 Yadu would get 5 orders all by themselves?

    Put them and a few 8pt remotes into one combat group for about 150pts as a neat little fighting package with a solid order pool. First turn run up the remotes to hide near midfield so their sniffers and repeaters are covering much of the table then for the rest f the game just funnel orders to the Asura multi rifle or hacker.

    Remaining points and SWC go to the other combat group with a shukra CoC and dakini link. Some hackers to target an enemy and drop grenades from the LGL, netrods, apsara and posthumans to fill out the group.

    Does mean no naga or dasyu...
     
  18. RecklessPrudence

    RecklessPrudence Well-Known Member

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    Don't think you can fit all that in 300, can you? Or at least, I don't seem to be able to - a HD+ LT2 Asura, HMG Yadu, and Haris Yadu, along with a Daleth for Sensor and two Lamedhs for Sniffers hits 189, not leaving enough for the second combat group to have a full Core if you want at least one Hacker, a Shukra, an Apsara, at least one Netrod, and some Posthumans. You end up looking at around 350-360 to fit all that in, don't you?
     
  19. Scutarii

    Scutarii Active Member

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    Yeah that’s basically all the toys and then go back over stripping out what you can.
     
  20. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Point value isn't everything. If you can kill a 12/13 points model in an triad with an 25 points model, do it!
    To break a link, decimate the linkbonus, it will be worth normaly more than only points of the models you silence.
     
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