Discussion in 'Rules' started by Zewrath, Mar 27, 2019.
You pay for those stats in army points. Fireteams are free.
Depends how you play when you face it. Someone playing an offensive playstile and hidding his unit in reactive turn (me in Ariadna) will be roughly ok (as he doesn't plan to ARO). Someone with a defensive playstile (me in nomads) can more or less concede from the start as sheskin will kill all of his roadblock and do whatever she wants.
No, you pay for additional bodies to receive bonuses.
(at least it was before the "wildcart" system was introduced)
Due to how activation delegation works in Infinity, individual model prices are even less representative of effects of taking them into the list in numbers than they normally are in wargames.
Granted, less restrictive Fireteams of these days make your statement more accurate than ever.
I will give you more food for thoguht:
Difference: in spanish, an unmodified roll of 1 in the dice => crits. In english, a BS roll of 1 => crits (both specify that even if the BS was less than 1).
Why is this relevant?
Sheskin does not roll 1d20 and crits on 1, 19 or 20 RAW, she rolls 1d20+1 (from http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Attributes_Below_1
In english she crits on 19, 20 (1 is never obtained, because the BS roll will be 2-21).
In spanish, there is no doubt: she rolls 1d20+1, but a 1 on the dice is a crit, and then 19 and 20 "equates to 20", and thus are critical hits.
So, RAW: Sheskin has 10% crit rolling 5 dices (optimal situation, Fireteam Core 5) using the english rules, and 15% crit rolling 5 dices... I think that is abour 55% crit chance?
Fireteams (outside of Tohaa) has the opportunity cost of playing in a limited sectorial or in NA2. How expensive that cost is based on the gain is certainly debatable, but the cost is not zero.
IJW already let us know that RAI is that if your BS goes above 20 rolling a 1 will not net you a crit.
Sorry, but I can't take that as official CB stance... If the RAI was that, then WHY is the spanish version specifying an unmodified 1 is always a crit? Edit that out, FAQ it, it's fast. Leave it, tons of discussions and further differences with the english version.
Remember how MMX used to be wrong in english, and CB reworked the skill in 3rd off... in favour of the spanish version.
Yeah I'm gonna add my voice to this, though I will go further and say Fatality LV2 is bad in and of itself, the burst issue just makes it glaring
And how long do we know that ?
(hint: since the rule came to a game)
A couple points to note:
1. FAT2 according to the English version of the rule does not increase the chance to crit for Sheskiin in a 5-troop link, it simply makes sure it doesn't drop until she is solo or the FT drops to 2 members (i.e. drops to a burst of 4).
2. The "41% chance" is misleading (though not far off the actual number) because that assumes normal rolls. Opposing crits always cancel all of yours. The actual chances start around 39% and drop for every die the AROing trooper rolls.
I'm not trying to argue that FAT2 on Sheskiin is fine for the game, just that the numbers people are using aren't quite right.
Where is it saying that it's the unmodified roll?
'cualquier resultado' is just 'any result', isn't it?
The wording for Attributes above 20:
"Sin embargo, el jugador sumará al resultado obtenido en el dado aquella cifra que superaba el 20 (por ejemplo, en 23 sumaría 3)."
Unless I'm missing something, that text is altering the result of the die roll, just like the English wording.
41% chance to roll at least one crit and out of those 41%, 9% account for at least two or more Crits is mathematically correct.
An average of 0.5 Crits per BS Attack with B5 would also be correct.
What wouldn't be correct is to say she kills stuff 41% of the time - becuase her odds are usually higher than that. She has BS15 B5 and is more than capable to win a FTF the old school PanO way.
She can keep up with the Yuan Dun Core Linked Hsien in damage output (he is a bit better than her against a Kamau Sniper - assuming positive Rangebands). That's downright insane considering the opportunity cost you have to pay to get access to that.
Has anyone done the math on what raw BS you'd have to have to be mathematically close to Fat2 with Tariq and Sheskiin?
Against which kind of target dummy?
FAT is a static chance that doesn't change as long as you are still at BS2 or higher.
BS works fundamentally different. The more likely you are to roll results your opponents can't beat the more your own risk dwindles.
FAT leaves "high" risk for the gunner, if crits are the only thing that is still winning FTF rolls.
Well, they didn't listen the first time this was addressed with Tarik, soooo...
I believe the answer would probably be "parad de joder" or something along those lines
All joking aside, Symbiomates were broken for years, so I doubt this will be fixed til N4 or something
Not to mention they appaered suprised that FA works with supressive fire.
Something which was beaten to death on old forums for almost half year they were still "in FA beta"....
I still have some hope they will be fixed in N4....
To be honest I don't think what they've done with them (symbiomates) is all that different than what they once were. It's a lateral change at best. but then again, I don't think they were broken before
Yes, as usual you are missing the important part, in the Fatality Lv 2 in spanish. In it, is where it says:
The text in bold red? "Any result of 1 obtained in the dice by its owner", literal translation.
A result of 1 in the dice ignores the +1.
Just to be clear, have you translated EVERY rule from spanish to english?