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Fatality 2 with B5...

Discussion in 'Rules' started by Zewrath, Mar 27, 2019.

  1. CabalTrainee

    CabalTrainee Well-Known Member

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    Yes.
     
  2. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    I think we're getting close.

    We are definitely seeing some strange changes up to a year after a release to what it was supposed to have been, which does not say good things about their (formal term) "document version control".



    I really don't want to refresh/new version if we can avoid it, because that is going to delay moving the storyline forward by another 4+ years. There was an incredible amount of griping about how long we had to wait for "Acheron Falls" (the next book after Campaign Paradiso) after N3 was released. Technically, I'm not sure we are there yet, because Acheron is the name of the blockade of the CA Wormhole in Paradiso.
     
  3. Ogid

    Ogid Well-Known Member

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    I haven't play enough yet to talk about balance, but I do find high the amount of new sectorials; with so many shared rules, something is going to break at some point. But I guess they know what they are doing.
    Rules wise, yes, something should be done. The living rulebook would be great imo, and the system need to make it easier to new players.

    Going back to the Fatality L2, if it is overperforming too much, what about making the 1 successes that cannot be canceled by the enemy roll instead of a full crit? That way the Fatality L2 can still deal extra damage without increasing too much the odds of winning the FtF rolls
     
  4. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    You generate another exception to the gaming mechanics, and keep the "10% no risk" part of the situation. Making them ignore penalties to Burst & reflection modfiers seems more interesting to me (so no Nimbus/Nimbus plus against these two models), since they got Fat2 for free.
     
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  5. ObviousGray

    ObviousGray Frenzied Mushroom
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    Wait for Datas they said.

    What now?
     
  6. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    "You understood the rule poorly, we never meant for Fat2 to be played like that"
     
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  7. HellLois

    HellLois What the Hell...Lois?
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    As i said:
    We are woorking on that, we know the issue, but dont expect the change during this season.
     
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  8. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    As long as there's continued communication about it that it's being actively looked at I don't think anybody will complain too much. If there is a problem causing a delay proactively communicating the issue will do wonders to allay concerns it's being swept under a rug.
     
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  9. Ginrei

    Ginrei Well-Known Member

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    I'm starting to think of Infinity as getting buried underneath many unnecessary rules.

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  10. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    This is exactly what we've been waiting to hear. It gives a firm timeline on when we can expect a change rather than a vague 'soon'. Keep this up!

    But note, there will be a furore if no charge happens when the new season drops.
     
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  11. Ogid

    Ogid Well-Known Member

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    Changing the mechanic like that would be another way but I tried to suggest a nerf without going too far of the actual mechanic. Most rules are about breaking the base mechanic in one way or another, and this change would be like berserker but only for the 1 (check that I said that couldn't be cancelled, not full crits, so the ARM/BTS roll won't be bypassed). With this change they would still have high probability to deal damage, but not to win FtF rolls stacked against them. But anyway, it was just an idea.
     
  12. ObviousGray

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    So at least, you guys know its a problem. Good.
     
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  13. Zewrath

    Zewrath Nordic Master

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    My entire reason for creating this thread in the beginning was for CB to answer whether you had an honest opinion on the mechanic or not and whether it really was as play tested as one could’ve. That you now have recognised that the rule is an issue is more than what I could have hoped for to be honest.

    I’m positively surprised.
     
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  14. CabalTrainee

    CabalTrainee Well-Known Member

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    You don't know how happy you make all us snotty complainers with a simple post like that! :+1:
     
  15. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Basically yes, honest communication is good. Keyword being honest, maintaining that reputation is important because if you ruin your reputation nobody can trust anything you say like unfortunately the position @Bostria has put himself in. If he says it's being worked on nobody can trust that because who knows, maybe it's being worked on just like O-12 were definitely not happening as a faction.
     
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  16. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    My god, theres literally a thread about how this is a myth.
    https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/in-which-i-thank-bostria-for-his-honesty.33994/

    Seems like reputations can be ruined just by people making up their own shit right?
    You make PR sound so easy while continuously wrecking your own personal credibility. Its easy to throw stones in a glass house eh.
     
  17. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    In the same vein, I don't think HellLois actually states he/CB thinks the mechanic is an "issue". So much as hes working on "something". I'd check you expectations.
     
  18. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    And “an issue for a vocal portion of active forum users with imperfect access to needed data” does not automatically equate to “an immediate issue for the game designers” nor does “something” mean the same as “the ‘solution’ those active forum users think they want”.
     
  19. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I'm not expecting a major change like this to happen in the middle of an ITS season, though technically Uprising did.

    Anyway, when does ITS season 11 start? August? November?
     
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  20. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    I was pretty vocal about Fat2 at some point, but after spending some time in dice calculator I can say that people who complain about armies being removed by Tarik/Sheskin will probably still complain about the same thing even after Fat2 rework, whatever it will be. But I've said this several times ITT already.

    Amendments to the rule will probably result in considerable morale boost here, so there's that.

    I personally think there are bigger issues atm, but that's mostly subjective.