FAQ on Fireteam Burst Bonus with "Skills or Equipment"

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  1. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Ok, but do you get +3 Mod (5 man link team) to Discover ?
     
  2. Mask

    Mask Well-Known Member

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    Then again. Good job including them in the weapon chart

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  3. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Yes, but this is completely separate to the +3 BS bonus.
     
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  4. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Well, since they have Range bands and MODs, it makes sense to include everything that has them in one easy to use reference chart...
     
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    Then again, how hard you would have complained if they were not included....
     
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  6. Brother Smoke

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    Would you rather they didn't and have to flip through a book/browse a wiki constantly? Because, let's be honest, nobody is gonna memorize those range bands
     
  7. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    I accept the rule (what else could I do? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:)
    But from the logical view to the rules, I don't understand it.
    There are the key words and then they say, they doesn't count.

    Edit: My problem at the moment is, that the rules feel inconsistent.
    I've heard the implemented the keywords in N3, but now, they don't follow them completely.
     
    #27 Ben Kenobi, 8 Ago 2018
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  8. Brother Smoke

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    If you think this is confusing you should take a look at D&D 5e's "Attack with a melee weapon" vs "Melee weapon attack" debacle
     
  9. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Essentially weapons are, whatever is listed in the weapons section of the books, if it is not listed there it is not a weapon.

    I am not saying keywords are not confusing if they were not, we would not have this FAQ entry.
     
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    gregmurdock Extremely Beloved Member

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    Wait, mines don't get the link team B bonus? What about drop bears?
     
  11. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Mines (and placed Drop Bears) have never got the Burst bonus because that applies to BS Weapons, not Deployable Weapons. Thrown Drop Bears are BS Weapons so would get the bonus.
     
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    The five-member fireteam bonus says nothing about weapons, just that the user gets +3 to BS attacks. It would apply to Forward Observer. It seems pretty likely that the 3-man bonus applies too, considering FO is treated as BS weapon. Really confused as to the logic behind this part of the FAQ.
     
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    FO is not listed in the weapons section of the books so it is not considered a weapon.
     
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    Well it is considered a weapon in its own rules. Moreover, fireteam bonus lvl 5 doesn't need a weapon just to be making a BS attack. CB can FAQ whatever they want, but it seems contradictory to the written rules.
     
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    Keyrott Nomad Handyman

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    Is there something i'm not seeing where they could make FO only a skill that has range bands and remove the "technical weapon" label entirely? I guess it still has to interact with like every other thing that affects BS attacks and interacts with BS attacks so it wouldn't make much sense to change it more. I just looked up the alphabetical Weapons Chart on the wiki and it has FO listed xD but it has minesweeper and other stuff so eeeeh
     
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    To be fair, who uses the book? I have them, but mostly I work with army and wiki.
     
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    It is fair, I am explaining the logic behind it.
     
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    Tell whoever made that logical leap they did it wrong.
     
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  19. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Right or wrong these are the rules clarified.
     
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  20. Confusion

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    The amount of rules answers that say, basically, "we wrote the rules wrong, ignore what they say and play it this way" is getting pretty ridiculous. It makes the game really difficult to teach or pick up for new players.

    This is especially bad considering that many of these "wrong" rules didn't even cause any problems in play. To be fair, writing rules well is very hard, but adding a bunch of unnecessary patches is just going to make the rules even more difficult to remember, which is already a problem for Infinity.

    tl;dr: Having FAQs that alter the written rules rather than clarifying them makes the game harder to play.
     
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