Again, 'declare' is very specific in Infinity. You realise that you're arguing that the optional Camouflage Special Skill would itself break Camouflaged state? Which means that you always declare Dodge when the Camo marker says that they're delaying.
I'd like to address you to the end of the rulebook, where there is a table that explains which SHORT/COMPLETE ORDER SKILLS compose an Order. The line you quoted refers to THOSE skills.
Does this mention that this declaration needs to be a Skill which requires an order? No. Why would that break it? I do not have to declare every time to use it. Once u gain it, u have it until cancellation, or if you are not allowed to be in such as null state. U deploy in camouflaged state. If you cancel and would like to turn back into camo, u declare a skill and at the end of that order, u turn camo if applicable.
Those are the only Skills that you declare in Infinity. The rules are very consistent about how the word is used. Currently, across the two threads, you are arguing that: An Unconscious trooper's Camouflage Skill stops working (agreed), This means that the trooper loses Camouflaged state (not agreed, but let's run with it) Therefore, as an Optional Skill, the Camouflage Skill needs to be 'active' to keep Camouflaged state (not agreed, but let's run with it), Therefore you are 'declaring' use of the Camouflaged Skill (not agreed, but let's run with it), Therefore Camouflaged state would be lost because you're 'declaring' an unsafe Skill. That's why declaring Skills refers to those Skills that you declare as part of an Order or ARO.
Also there are other Automatic Skills that would drop trooper out of Cammo with such an interpretation as - Stealth, Multiterrain, Executive Order, Chain of Command.
3, I did not say this. I said, that if you would revert into camo state, u have use an entire order, without a roll. 4, Because this allows you to be in camouflaged state. If you have camo and holo f.e., you have to choose.
3. Yes you did, because you claimed that the Camouflaged state is cancelled if the Skill is deactivated via Unconscious. 4 is a direct consequence of this, you can't argue it both ways. Plus @Pietras404 has given a good list of other Skills that would cause huge issues with this interpretation.
Not sure if trolling or not, so i'll answer for the last time. DECLARE A SKILL in Infinity is related to Skills you (well) "declare" during the expenditure of an order, those that "comsume" a "slot" of Short Skill or Entire Order Skill. We all know that the rules are not strictly written, but we cannot assume to read any word in a "legal" mode. Debating about this way of reading is simply a time-wasting persuading exercise. We all know that the rules could (greatly) benefit from a good "ironclad" rewrite. Even CB knows that. To get to that, we will have to wait for an hypothetical N4, at least 3-4 years from now. And the Aristeia! experience maybe will prove useful. Those booklets are written very well, in term of rules!
I didn't agree with your previous arguments, but I do agree on that conclusion. Camo already have the effect #1 of deploying in camo. And Camo cancellation clause already doesn't include Null state. And camo token activation clause already allows to recamo (and is the only place that give permission to recamo, as it is not even an effect of the camo skill). So then what purpose serve the Camo effect #2 of being allowed to exist in camo state if not to say that once I am without camo skill (because of NFB or Null or otherwise) that I am not allowed to exist in camo state and must voluntarily remove myself from camo state ?
- remove post here, repost in the camo thread - It seems like these threads are kind of crossing streams, and I lost track of where I was.
