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Druze in Haqqislam/QK?

Discussion in 'Infinity Army' started by Legrasse, Dec 15, 2017.

  1. Todd

    Todd Well-Known Member

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    If you're confirming something, can you please cite/state what the correct version of the rule you're confirming is, rather than just saying something is unchanged? Wording your response so it's relative to a context that may be differnet depending on who is reading the rules, when they're reading the rules, and what version of the rules they're reading is just a really weird way to answer a question.

    Saying something that's obviously been changed (perhaps incorrectly) is actually unchanged doesn't help anyone unless they're still looking at the old rules, which isn't something anyone using Army6 would be doing. Especially since the builder is supposed to the source with the most up to date version of the rules. Right?
     
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  2. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Or you could look at the posts I replied to, which were asking if the options had changed/Core had been lost...
     
  3. Todd

    Todd Well-Known Member

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    No, I think you're right. Army should be the default, because we're required to use it when preparing for official events. Otherwise, TOs would have to double check things against the PDFs , which defeats the purpose of having Army as the official resource.

    I'm just saying, you could have posted once with a clear affirmation and your supporting rationale, or multiple times like you did. Since when is vague and contextual a better approach to answering rules question than clear and straight forward? That is, you don't have to answer Infinity rules questions the way CB writes its rules. :tongueclosed:
     
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  4. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Actually, this is what ITS rules say:
    "All participating Players must use the program Infinity Army (available for free on the Infinity website) to create and check their Army Lists. Should there be a discrepancy, the information available on the official Infinity website takes precedence."

    However, the official website currently hosts a document version 3.8 which is outdated: it does not have Season 9 changes, new profiles including Druze etc. So technically speaking, allowing them with Core option would be mixing and matching rules from different seasons :yum:

    Oh, and by the same token, new profiles are not legal either. But I don't think anybody will try to rule it this way for their events.

    He's probably saying that all he knows is that nobody from CB told him to fix the wiki. The rest are assumptions and guesses which are as good as ours.

    Let's just wait for CB to return from vacation.
     
  5. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    That being said, I think it would be safe to assume we're going to have both new profiles (as shown in the Army) and Fireteam Core / Duo for the Druze in QK, and use this as a starting point. We can think through the changes in the Druze role there.

    First, thanks to Veteran L1, a full Druze Core (or a pair of Duos) can be used as backup Regular Order reserve in aces of a LoL. Not quite Chain of Command-level safeguard against CoC, but still something we didn't had in the QK so far.

    Fatality L1 gives them some extra hitting power, especially dangerous with the LGL EM ammo (I mean, that's Damage 14 vs halved BTS!), though all the other weapons are going to be nasty with it, too! Just hink what the Viral Pistols are going to be making up close!
    But all in all, Fatality L1 is not that much of a game-changer for Druze in QK as Veteran L1 is.
     
  6. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Remember that there is no skill called Fireteam: Core, what troopers can form what Fireteam is determined by the relevant rules/wiki page.

    Army puts Fireteam: Core under skills/equipment as a reminder which is poor formatting IMO, it should be in the same section as Special Fireteams.
     
  7. -V-

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    Druze Shock Team updated at QK and Mercs. Apologies for delay. :sweat:
     
  8. KedzioR_vo

    KedzioR_vo Well-Known Member
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    Maybe I missed something, but are the Druze staying with old profiles in Vanilla Haqqislam?


    PozdRawiam / Greetings
     
  9. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    After ctrl+F5 on google chrome, Druze status on Army:

    Bayram security: Veteran troops with Fireteam Core, Fireteam Duo, Veteran L1, Fatality L1
    Generic Haqquislam: Veteran Troops with Fireteam Duo
    Qapu Khalqi: Veteran Troops with Fatality L1 and Veteran L1 EDIT: Added Fireteam Duo & Core
    Mercs tickbox selected: Mercenary troops with Fatality L1 and Veteran L1

    Druze status on Profile PDF (which superseeds the Army):
    Generic Haqquislam: Fireteam Duo
    Wapu Kalqi: Fireteam Core, Fireteam Duo
    No entry for Bayram on the profiles
    As mercs: Mercenary Troop

    Seriously, @V, we are *still* confused. Are the Druze forbidden to link in QK or not?
     
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  10. -V-

    -V- A! Team member
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    QK re-updated. Working on Haq... Give me 10'
     
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    Ctrl+F5 again. Haqqislam updated.
     
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  12. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Don't worry about the delay! It seems I sounded harsh, and that was not my intention, sorry!

    The problem here is that the Profiles PDF says the Druze can make Fireteam core links in QK, but now the Army says that no, they cannot. Since the official ruling is that the PDF profiles supersedes the Army, either we get an updated PDF (which would be nice, since you can add the Bayran security in the same go) or we get an official answer that no, Druze can no longer make Fireteam Core in QK :S
     
  13. -V-

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    You don't worry, xagroth. I think we know each other from time ago. I understand that you got confused and there's no been an answer since last year. My fault, sorry.

    You're talking about Fireteam:Duo, aren't you?
     
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    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    No, the Fireteam Core (5 men), which now seems to be present only in Bayram, but the Profiles PDF still lists as avaiable for QK :p

    Also, the Druze Spitfire has lost his profile! Was that intented, or an oversight? ^^
     
  15. ijw

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    The Spitfire option is completely removed, replaced by the HMG.

    Fireteam options in Qapu Khalqi are completely unchanged, as I've pointed out several times. ;-) EDIT - so Druze can still form a Fireteam: Core in QK.
     
  16. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Then the Army is *still* wrong, since it lists only DĂșo as link option for Druze on QK XD

    So what do I do now with my spitfire Druze? Not to mention, now there is no way to get 5 druze models! Only the new box is on the CB store! XD
     
  17. -V-

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    I see. Updated.

    No more Druze Spitfire. Intended.
     
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  18. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Use it as an HMG.
     
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  19. cazboab

    cazboab Definitely not Cazboaz.

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    Is it intentional that the Multi sniper is exclusive to DBS and isn't available to Haqqislam, QK or as a Merc?
    The Hacker from HSN3 preorder, or Jethro from the outrage box. Not ideal in either case due the exclusivity etc but still... Or you could just get two boxes so you have enough to run a core and a harris ina DBS list since they're ava total, add Scarface and Cordelia and you have a 10 order list made of three fireteams at 290pt/5.5swc... not sure how effective it would be in practice though I admit.
     
  20. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Yeah, I have both the preorder hacker and the spitfire druze (I planned to use them as a duo in QK, but never got around it, specially since they are both part of my painting backlog), but my point was that there is no regular miniature to make a 5man fireteam in QK (in Bayram you can always fill it with other models, since it goes the multilink route that was exclusive to QK).
     
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