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Druze at the interplanetario

Discussion in 'Druze Bayram Security' started by Arkhos94, Aug 18, 2019.

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  1. Andre82

    Andre82 Well-Known Member

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    Well as someone who has more then once placed a trooper who only had camo into hidden deployment I am not going to stress this to much.
    However at this point it would be safe to say Druze maybe did not do as well as we kind of hoped?
     
  2. CaptainVenge

    CaptainVenge Frog with Light Rocket Launcher

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    Well, duh.
     
  3. roobot

    roobot Well-Known Member

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    Ah well! They're still fun and I enjoy playing them! And if anyone needs convincing they are decent then there are plenty of great articles on " The Dice Abide" detailing then being taken to tournaments and doing quite well! :-)
     
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  4. CaptainVenge

    CaptainVenge Frog with Light Rocket Launcher

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    Nick himself is pretty chill player and, as stated earlier, has no hard feelings towards Pupnik. But from what he said on our local chat - Pupnik did try to make some fishy moves during the game and some of them were succesfull (earlier in highlights).
    So the problem is that someone (i do consider that maybe Pupnik is really not experinced with the game and/or faction and didn't want to cheat) was willingly playing not fair.
    And yeah, this shit is bad and it should be public, so that both sides (who are protecting and who are accusing) can levae a word.
     
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  5. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    At the big kids' side of the pool at the Interplanetario?
     
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  6. CaptainVenge

    CaptainVenge Frog with Light Rocket Launcher

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    In another discussion people pointed me that some guys in Kraken group were not even top-400 ITS, so not so big)
     
  7. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    I suppose, but making those mistakes at that level still seems questionable.
     
  8. Zewrath

    Zewrath Nordic Master

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    A bit misleading. Quite a few Eastern Europ players are not active in the ITS format, as the ITS pack can be prohibitively expensive for the event, while providing no real value in terms of prices. So even though there's a lot of torunament activities, it flies under the ITS radar and only comes up when those players win satalites or something similar.
     
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  9. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Well, it seems like there were mistakes at different tables at different times, so (personally and taking into account your noting that Pupnik might have been pulling shenanigans while also accepted the corrected outcome with courtesy) I'd give the benefit of the doubt, while noting perhaps a closer watch on all tables might be needed. Likely an additional note for any particular players that had issues specifically raised with the judges, regardless of how chill their opponents might be about it.
     
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  10. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    This is fine and I would agree that this should raise eyebrows for this particular player at future events. Props to Dr. Nik for remaining civil no matter the reality of the events.

    But I find attacking players, you don't know personally, on behalf of other players you don't know personally and haven't even talked to about the event is unnecessary dickbaggery - refer earlier post.
    The ultimate rule of infinity applies - don't be a dick.

    We can root out cheaters without getting outrage on behalf of other players and without all of the information.
     
  11. CaptainVenge

    CaptainVenge Frog with Light Rocket Launcher

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    Okay, didn't know about that but still i can only operate with official numbers, so please bear it in mind.
     
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  12. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    And if someone has deliberately and consciously removed themselves from official rankings, thus making any kind of simple assessment or comparison impossible, that’s on them.
     
  13. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    As far as I understood, the division between Pulpi and Kraken was "62 slots for kraken: there goes the winners of previous interplanetario, winners of Satellites, and the top ITS ranked of the inscribed people until it reaches 62", the rest go to Pulpi.

    Funnily enough, it was mentioned that a russian player who won big 2 years ago was in the pulpi (he left Aristeia to get into the Infinity one), so yeah. Also, it's all contingent on people securing the inscription to the Interplanetary, which tend to not last more than a few minutes...
     
  14. ijw

    ijw Wargaming Trader, Freelance Editor (UK)
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    @xagroth you mean @Marduck who won two years ago, and is French not Russian.
     
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  15. Lesh'

    Lesh' MAFter of Apes
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    btw, is there a wiki or something with list of people who won each Interplanetario? Like, something similar to liquipedia
     
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  16. Marduck

    Marduck Well-Known Member

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    Ho ... is that shitstorm coming my way ? :scream:

    *Roll for dodge* (result in a few post)

    Before anybody call me out cheating here is what happened (and it's no secret I told it to all my opponent) :
    I tried to register to the Infinity tournament normally. I was in Majorque for the EIC (where I played Aristeia!) at the time, only had my phone and I failed to push the register button fast enough (1,30 min after the beginning of registration ... too late).
    My friends from Paris were coming to the Interplanetario so I wanted to come anyway. I registered sucessfully to Aristeia! (it's a game I play and enjoy, just not as much as Infinity).
    Two day before coming to Vigo we all receive a mail saying there are some spot left for Infinity. So I grabbed my models and some lists I had used for another tournament and come just in case. I told the TO about my situation. They agreed to have me drop Aristeia! and register for Infinity in the Pulpi. There were even 2 spots left after me.
    (if anyone, blame the guys that paid, reserved a spot, and did not show up without warning. That's the worst for a TO)

    That was not part of any clever plan to avoid playing the kraken ! I would have love to get my ass kicked by player much more talented than me. I already won that thing once. I know it won't happen again so I don't care. I just want to have good and nice games.

    To be honest I don't know if I would qualifiy to the Kraken anyway (I was 305 world ranking, ELO 1088 before the event). Winning an Inter 2 years ago doesn't grant me an automatic right to be on the top table of every tournament. And I faced some worthy opponent in the Pulpi, that could easily qualify for the Kraken if they played more ITS. I only had 2 majors and 4 minors victory. A lot of game were very close and could have gone either way.
     
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  17. Kyle Katarn

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    Well, I know Nick personally, as CaptainVenge surely does. Don't know why did you assume they don't know each other, but I guess every side deserves some presumption of innocence.

    Situations like these bother me a lot, because of reasons i like Infinity so much.
    It's all about how easy and relaxed we can play this game, which we can afford to do because we trust adversary.
    And if someone uses this trust against us, we feel like we've been punished for trusting.
    Punished for good behaviour. Learning not to trust again.
     
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  18. Zewrath

    Zewrath Nordic Master

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    Okay guys, this thread is starting to get really rotten. Accusation of cheating is a very serious matter (for me at least), and if we're at a point were legit nice people (like @Marduck) are getting accusations, or hints of accusations, then we should really evaluate the value of letting this thread go on.
    Regarding cheaters, my opinion on the matter, is that it should be treated very siously and have the player blacklisted and basically exiled, which also necessitate concrete proof before lifting such an accusation.
     
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  19. CaptainVenge

    CaptainVenge Frog with Light Rocket Launcher

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    Looks like i need to clean my glasses, but who accused of what dear Marduck here?
     
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  20. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Sorry if it sounded like I implied it so, it was not my intention at all. I simply assumed that you weren't playing ITS as much (if at all) this year, in that regard it's more of a failure of the system than anything else.
     
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