Dodge ARO against Move+Move

Achelon · Nov 4, 2022

Hi guys,

We have a doubt regarding the interaction and resolution of the Dodge ARO against a Move+Move situation.

The doubt comes from the rules of Dodge, as the movement of the Dodge action take place on the 6.1 step of the order, the effects step of the resolution, after all the movements have been done by the active player.

Situation is this:

1) Player A declares Move as first action, measures and moves, and while doing so enters ZoC of player B
2) Player B declares Dodge as his ARO
3) Player A declares Move as his second action, measures and moves
4) Player B does the Dodge roll and succeeds
5) Player B does the Dodge movement...but Player A is now outside his range, even through when he could declare the ARO was in range of the Dodge movement

And here is where things became weird, as there are two opinions:

Opinion 1)
Given that everything "happens at once", player B can Dodge into contact with player A as during A's movement, there was a point where he could reach with his Dodge movement (at this point there are also 2 options):
Option 1.1 -> The troops stay at the point where B reached A using his Dodge movement
Option 1.2 -> The troops stay at the end of A's movement even if that makes B teleport

Opinion 2)
Given that you do the movements during order declaration, but Dodge movement is done AFTER, during Effects step in the resolution, at that moment, player A is out of range, movement of Dodge can be done, but you can't reach close combat.

We've been reading the rulebook, the FAQs and wiki, but nothing is crystal clear yet.

Oh mighty @ijw , help us!

Thanks!

Iskandar · Nov 4, 2022

It's option 2. You make your dodge movement and if you reach silhouette contact with the model where it is at the end of it's move then you can if you can't you can't

anubis · Nov 4, 2022

Straight out of wiki:

Dodge said:

A successful Normal or Face to Face Dodge Roll allows the user to move up to 2 inches. This movement:

Is measured, declared, and the Trooper moved, during the Effects step of the Order Expenditure Sequence. If both players have Troopers that successfully Dodged, the Active Player will move their Troopers first, then the Reactive Player will move theirs.

Does not generate AROs or trigger Deployable Weapons or Equipment.

Must follow the General Movement Rules as well as the Moving and Measuring sidebar, both of which are explained in the Movement Module.

Allows the user to enter Engaged State with an enemy, as long as the movement is enough to reach Silhouette contact with that enemy.

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Order Expenditure Sequence said:

Each time the Active Player decides to use an Order (of whatever type) to activate a Trooper, follow these steps:

1. Activation. The Active Player declares which Trooper will activate.

1.1. Order Expenditure. The Active Player removes from the table, or otherwise marks as spent, the Order he uses to activate the Trooper.
1.2. Declaration of the First Skill. The Active Player declares the first Short Skill of the Order, or the Entire Order, he wants to use. If movements are declared, the player measures where the Trooper can move and places the Trooper at the final point of its movement.
2. Reactive Player’s AROs

2.1. ARO Check. The Reactive Player checks if they are allowed to declare AROs with their Troopers. Players can check from the Active Trooper if any Trooper or Game Element is inside the Zone of Control (ZoC) of the Active Trooper.
2.2. ARO Declaration. The Reactive Player declares the AROs of those Troopers that are allowed to declare one. Troopers are not forced to declare AROs, but if a Trooper can declare an ARO and fails to do so, the chance to declare an ARO is lost.

3. Declaration of the Second Skill. The Active Player declares the second Short Skill of the Order, if applicable. If movements are declared, the player measures where the Trooper can move, chooses the route, and places the Trooper at the final point of its movement.

4. Reactive Player’s AROs

4.1. ARO Check. The Reactive Player checks if they are allowed to declare AROs with those Troopers that couldn’t declare an ARO in the previous ARO Check step. Players can check from the Active Trooper if any Trooper or Game Element is inside the Zone of Control (ZoC) of the Active Trooper.
4.2 ARO Declaration. The Reactive Player declares the AROs of those Troopers that are allowed to declare one.
5. Resolution: Check that the declared Skills and pieces of Equipment meet their respective Requirements, measure all distances, determine MODs, and both players make Rolls. If any Skill or piece of Equipment doesn’t meet its Requirements, the Trooper performs an Idle.

5.1 Effects: Players apply all effects of successful Skills and Equipment including Saving Rolls and Dodge movement.
5.2 Conclusion: Guts Rolls are made. The effects of Guts Rolls and Alert are applied. End of the Order.
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Movement and placing miniatures at their final position is part of Step 3 of the Order Expediture Sequence.
Rolling dice comes with Step 5, applying effects like the Dodge movement with Step 5.1.
The 4th Bulletin of the Effekts of a succesful dodge mentions, that the dodging modell can enter engaged state as long as the movement is enough to reach Silhouette contact with that enemy.
When the MOV-MOVing modell is out of range to the Dodge-movement, there is no way of entering engaged state.

There was a time i remember when folks like daturazi could hang on bikes that drove by, but i think the order expenditure sequence made sure this will not happen again.

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