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Do July to me? Or is it June?

Discussion in 'News' started by TenNoBushi, May 4, 2020.

  1. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    Man this summer is just filled with absolutely gorgeous miniatures.... it's especially tough to keep up when you keep forgeting what day it is.
    keen on more info on the new manga though.
     
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  2. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    I think they called it a graphic novel rather than a manga... I remember hearing scuttlebutt that calling it a manga made distribution interesting.
     
  3. Abrilete

    Abrilete Well-Known Member

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    Aperture Science already got the solution for that.

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  4. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Just a pure guesstimate, since we don't know the caliber or anything as far as I'm aware, but the size of that magazine looks fairly big compared to a regular old rifle (so a lot closer to 50 than 5 bullets at the very least), it probably fires the same caliber or close to the same caliber as a rifle and when factoring in that the propellant is probably not located in the banana which should at least tripple bullet count, I think we're looking at 100+ bullets. Maybe as much as 200. The propellant's location would depend on sensitivity to heat and sympathetic explosions.
    So while a drum would probably hold even more bullets, the game's setting weirds some of our expectations (even to the point where I'm starting to enjoy the aesthetic of banana magazines bent the wrong direction).
     
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  5. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Alright no more nit-picky. It still looks great. I'm sure I could find something that makes no sense on every figure. But it doesn't make them less cool or playable.
     
  6. Vocenoctum

    Vocenoctum Well-Known Member

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    I just imagine a little R2D2 in a hatch that comes out and swaps them, from the same little hatch the extra's are stored in.

    While I do prefer the belts, they also can be a pain to assemble, so eh.
     
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  7. Lightforge

    Lightforge Well-Known Member

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    Especially considering that it's well known that the human factions (except ariadna) don't even use bullets/casings. The magazines are filled with propellant. So for all we know a magazine could contain enough propellant for 100s or even 1000s of shots. Notice how almost no mini has spare mags on them?
     
  8. Spitfire_TheCat

    Spitfire_TheCat Feel the Wrath of the Miezi-Bot

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    Except for Richard Quinn, who ... is carrying all the mags the other troopers don't carry ...
     
  9. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    Wait, what? Mags are filled with propellant and they propel what exactly? What's the projectile?
     
  10. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    They still use bullets, they're not energy weapons.
     
  11. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Well, seems you lost us somewhere along the way.

    In a modern firearm, you use cartriges. They're made of:
    1. Projectile (commonly called "bullet"). Y'know, the part that goes downrange and hopefully hits your target.
    2. An explosive propellant ("gunpowder", though nowadays these seem to be nitrocellulose "smokeless" gunpowders. Some other propellant types are possible, too, but I know no other that would be used on a mass scale). The stuff that goes "boom" and creates high-pressure gases to give the projectile its speed.
    3. A primer (usually a tiny small charge of a different explosive that will go "boom" when striked by the gun's mechanism, and intiate the main propellant charge).
    4. A case, a (typically metal) container that holds all the abovementioned elements together and protects them from elements.

    Now, you could get rid of the case - this was, actually, done in the 20th century, just haven't seen widespread adoption by military (as it was very expensive). Simply make the propellant into a solid block, with primer and bullet firmly held in it. Or use liquid propellant, injected into the firing chamber on as-needed basis (I've read somewhere that it was tested for large-caliber weapons, namely tank guns. Without major success though: our technology isn't good enough to allow that as a reliable system).
    You could get rid of the primer and initiate your propellant charge by, for example, electric ignition (not that different in principle from an internal combustion engine). Actually this seems to be a pretty reasonable solution for a liquid propellant gun.

    But you still need an explosive propellant, if it is to be a firearm (compressed gas "airgun" is not a firearm, and, honestly, doesn't really have enough power to be a viable combat weapon in the modern era. Magnetic-powered "railgun" / Gauss gun would need no propellant, either. However, we're told that all the basic weapons of the Infinity-era are firearms, most of them using explosive gel propellant. And, save for Ariadnan and Morat ones, caseless).

    If you want to get rid of the projectiles, well, that's again not a firearm anymore - likely some form of an direct-energy weapon (laser, microwave gun etc). Even Voodoo-tech plasma guns of the Combined Army are, I guess, dependant on some form of matter they do turn into plasma, that is then propelled out of the barrel.

    To sum it up, with Human Sphere combirifgles and machineduns you have to have 1. bullets, 2. propellant.
    And you have to store them somehow on your gun.
     
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  12. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    However, you could use a liquid propellant stored in a reservoir, if it is atomised into the chamber and electrically detonated then it would require a lot less volume per shot than solid state propellants.

    This has long been my theory behind PanO "backwards" magazines. The forward (longer) edge is a magazine of projectiles that is wrapped around a reservoir of propellant.

    The projectiles themselves are likely only 5-6mm in calibre so you can fit a lot more in the same linear space once they're separated from the casings and propellant (Heck, you can just about fit thirty 5mm straight walled rounds in a modern pistol grip) and that's even before we consider memory metals that could reconfigure their shape as they enter the chamber.

    We have to remember that there's been 180 years of firearms development. Comparing todays firearms to Infinity weaponry is like comparing a Dreyse needle rifle to a modern assault rifle.
     
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  13. Del S

    Del S Tunguskaball

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    Maybe they're just really fancy mass drivers loading from Airsoft magazines?

    IIRC there's more than one fictional weapon where the part that gets reloaded is the battery more than the actual projectile magazine, that holds hundreds or thousands of actual rounds. A modern infantryman carries about 300 rounds normally, so even if it's some kind of battery-mag holding 100 pellets and energy to fire them, it means a significant size and probably weight reduction over modern weapons.

    Nanoshenanigans or multiple types of possible projectile can explain multiweapons.

    Alternatively, MST3K
     
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  14. SpectralOwl

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    I seem to remember specifically PanO guns using electromagnetic propulsion. Someone once mentioned that they were E/M vulnerable in an earlier edition.
     
  15. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    All combis were E/M vulnerable in N2, a few other weapons as well.
     
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  16. Ashen_Seeker

    Ashen_Seeker Well-Known Member

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    First of all, thanks because I didn't know how weapons worked in Infinity(just checked the minis and noticed the lack of the opening of the firing chamber which I found only in the Haqq's HMGs)

    Basically, are we talking about a firing system similar to what has been seen in Mass Effect 2 onward/Wh40k eldar shuriken weapons/naval artillery? A mass of metal that gets cut by a laser/a single caseless projectile then projected forward railgun style or by out of projectile propellant(as per naval guns with the propellant loaded after the shell)?
     
  17. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    No. There is one type of direct damage "energy weapon" which is the plasma weapons (besides the "non-lethal" stun weapons), though whether they fire aluminium plasma or something more exotic is unknown as far as I know. There's also one type of actual railgun which is what you're talking about, and that's the Hyper-rapid Magnetic Cannon.

    As far as I'm aware, Infinity weapons generally speaking are still chemically propelled pellets/bullets, it's just that they're a lot more advanced and among other things adapts the propellants according to what the situation requires. (Also means Combis and so on need less chemical propellant per bullet on average than modern guns do)
     
  18. kesharq

    kesharq Lucky Dice-Roller

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    Isn't the Chainrifle / Chainpistol also described as some kind of magneto-electric weapon where magnetic charges propel the chain splinters towards the enemy?

    "The Chain Rifle uses a length of chain as ammunition, firing it as a cone of red-hot shrapnel via an electric mechanism. It was developed to arm untrained militias in Third World campaigns. A Chain Rifle's wide firing arc makes it devastating at short ranges, where missing is almost impossible. The low production cost and deadly effectiveness of this weapon made it a resounding success in conflicts all over the Human Sphere."
     
  19. dhellfox

    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    they were also vulnerable to EM in N1 as well.

    off the top of my head; combi, multi, plasma, HMC, cubes, non ariadna HI's and some equipment like visors and TO
     
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  20. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    You could see the RPG roots it had back then. There was a lot of detail that didn't work well on the scale it's played.

    Instead of C1 I would have liked a game that actually had more complexity but then lowered the number of figures to like 2-5.
     
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