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Designated Target missions and harming HVT

Discussion in 'ITS' started by Mahtamori, Sep 4, 2018.

  1. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Let's remind ourselves of the context here:
    We're talking about intentionally taking an action with the sole purpose of harming the HVT.
     
  2. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Who spent the Order causing the harm? You cause the harm, you auto-lose, including Objective Points, as quoted upthread.
     
  3. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    What about if you merely misjudge a jump length?
     
  4. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Did you spend the Order? Did your action cause the Civilian to enter a Null state? If so, you’ve auto-lost.
     
  5. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Read the comment I was replying to again. Your comment isn't applicable.
     
  6. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    It is, because, regardless of intention or purpose, you’ve caused a Civilian to enter a Null state, and auto-lost. The rule text says nothing of intent or thought behind how the Civilian entered a Null state, merely that one of the players has caused it. Barring (as noted in the rule text) a scenario special rule allowing harm to a Civilian, causing one to enter a Null state is an auto-loss.
     
  7. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    I don't think there is a single action in the game which is mandatory AND would cause harm to the hvt. As the player you could always choose to not do an action
     
  8. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Exactly. If a Civilian (outside of scenario specific special rules) has entered a Null state, you’ve worked hard to make it happen.
     
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  9. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    The answers have already been given, don't play dangerous with your HVT, or if you want to take massive gambles, prepare to win or loose big.
     
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  10. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    No it isn't, because @ijw said the action was taken with the "sole purpose of harming the HVT." That's not necessarily the case.
     
  11. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Well, the rules care not a whit about the intention behind it, only that it occurred. So, harm/cause to enter a Null state the HVT, auto-lose, including all of your OPs, and two bonus OPs your opponent. Simple as that.
     
  12. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    The game doesn't define "cause" in this context. If your datatracker synchs the enemy DT and then makes him jump, did your Datatracker "cause" him to die? I think not.
     
  13. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    How not? Did you expend the Order? Was it your action that caused the harm? The answer to that question is a resounding "yes". Your trooper synced the DT, you expended the Order on the synced DT, and it entered a Null state. EDIT: Again, simple consequences when it's the HVT: auto-lose, including all of your OPs, and bonus of two OPs to your opponent.
     
  14. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    The game doesn't define "cause" sufficiently for this purpose.
     
  15. n21lv

    n21lv SymbioHate

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    @Hecaton, let me guess, you play Azorius in MTG?
     
  16. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Honestly my favorite decks were Sligh or mono-red aggro.
     
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