During the deployment phase do troops that can stay off the board count towards holding one model back thresh hold? For example, I have a 10 unit list that includes a Ninja with TO camo that I want to use hidden deployment on. I also have a Tiger soldier whom has Combat Jump. Lets say I will be deploying first. Is it legal, during the normal deployment step, to deploy 7 troops first and have the eigth held back until my opponent deploys thier units (all but one). Then I would deploy the 8th one. After that I would then place my hidden deployment troop. Then I would bring on my Tiger as I see fit. Thanks in advance.
Not entirely, you have to make the decision where the Ninja is placed and whether the Tiger is in Airborne Deployment or not prior to holding your trooper (such as a Zhanshi) back. The trooper you're holding back can be the Tiger and then you can decide to put the Tiger in Airborne Deployment, as a way of faking deploying a TO Camo, for example.
You must decide on location and make any Infiltration rolls for TO troopers as part of your normal deployment. AD Troopers are not deployed in the deployment phase at all, so wouldn't affect your reserve. It can sometimes be useful to keep a TO unit as your reserve (E.G. Holding back an Oniwaban if you're deploying first) or even an AD:1 trooper like a paracommando, but it's not obligatory.
Just to make sure im clear, AD Troops that I choose to put in air borne deployment are not part of the reserve. The TO Camo unit, in this case the ninja, does count towards the reserve even if I will be using hidden deployment. Correct?
Yes with one exception: AD1 troop : AIRBORNE DEPLOYMENT LEVEL 1. PARACHUTIST During the Deployment Phase, mentally divide the edges of the play area down the middle into eight segments (two on each side). Then, choose one of these segments and write it down in secret for later verification. For the rest of the game, all your troopers with the AD: Parachutist Special Skill deploy through that segment of the play area's edge. So if you have an AD 1 troop and don't want to keep it in reserve you must choose your segment at the same time you deploy your other troops
The ninja would only count towards the reserve if you wanted it to. So you can either record the ninja's location during normal deployment and reserve someone else, or reserve the ninja and record it's deployment after your opponent has deployed.
the bold part wrong. as per FAQ: Q: Can you pick your AD: Parachutist location at any time during the Deployment Phase of any player? A: No. You have to choose the location during the Deployment Phase of the owning player. it because you do it for ALL of your Parachutist troops, even if you have only one such a trooper... so for example if i had only one Bashi Bazouk in my roster, i MUST write segment for a Parachutist landing during deploying my main forcess. I still could place BB in reserve, look that my opponent place & deside would i use Bashi with AD or place him on a table as reserved model, but i cant change landing area which i already write down.
I don't mean to hijack this thread, but something just popped in my mind regarding downgrading AD troops. What if I never expected that I wanted to downgrade AD:4 (for example) to AD:1, so I never made that choice in the deployment phase. Am I not allowed to downgrade, then? I think, yes (which would then mean I should be choosing an AD:1 drop side every game with any AD troops just in case), but I'm not sure.
I think you are over interpreting this anwser. The question was "can I choose deployement location during the deploiement phase of ANY player". If I have only one para, then I think I can keep it as a reserve and decide where to land during my deploiement phase, as my reserve model.
Just downgrade to AD2 instead, you don't have to choose what level of the skill you use until you deploy the AD Trooper
once again. you can keep paratrooper in reserve. i even give you example. but you cant delay the moment you chose there they landing it is obvious weakness of AD:L1 skill else please explain me why i must do it with worser conditions if i use more than ONE parachutist? first things first. - chosing side for AD:L1 or placing HWT.
Lol, just shows you how often I've actually done this (I don't think I've ever taken a drop troop without an EVO).
The model you hold back is still deployed during the owning player's deployment phase. If a single Bashi is the only AD1 you have and you keep it back, you're still in your own deployment phase when it's time to deploy that Bashi prior to game start. That means you can delay the decision which table edge to bring it on that way - or deploy it normally on the table if you think that's preferable. The latter option makes selecting table edge prior to deciding to put any troops in AD1 weird. Why would you need to decide table edge if you never have any troops enter play that way?
@Mahtamori , you say ? for me weird is try to find a way justify obvious breaking of existed rules. answer me - if you have three troopers with AD:L1, want send all of them using AD, when you must write down the segment for their enter? & after you answer - WHY you cant do it in a time you are placing reserved model in this case? it IS still your deployment phase. i think because the writing of AD:L1 zone of deployment DOES not related to actual moment ONE of such models placement. UPD: nothere in AD:L1 description not said "when you decide to deploy one of your troopers with this Special Skill". But ALL other AD leveles - DO.
I'm not talking about 3 AD1 troopers, I'm talking about 1 of them. You must make that choice the moment you decide to use the skill. Whether you have 1 or 20 AD1 troops, as soon as you decide to not deploy the first one of them is when you have to make that choice, no sooner and no later.
but the rules says nothing like this. it says "your deployment phase", not the "when you decide use AD:l1 on one of your troops".
No, the rules say "You may choose not to deploy<snip>". Airborne Deployment comes into effect when you choose not to deploy a trooper.
Deploying your reserve model is still a part of your deployment phase : The Deployment Phase is divided into the following steps: Player One Deployment: Following the order established in the Initiative Roll, as decided by the player who kept Deployment, the first player places all but one of his troops inside his Deployment Zone. Player Two Deployment: Once Player One is done, Player Two places all but one of her troops inside her Deployment Zone. Player One Last Figure: Then, Player One places the troop he kept back during step one. Player Two Last Figure: Finally, Player Two places the troop she kept back during step two. So if you only have 1 AD lvl 1 trooper and keep it in reserve you will choose where they come when you reach step 3 or 4 (depending if you are player 1 or 2)
