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Dear CB, what should I do with my TWO DaoFei HMG minis?

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Benkei, Sep 27, 2020.

  1. atomicfryingpan

    atomicfryingpan Well-Known Member

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    All of you tiger MSR haters :p tiger sniper can absolutely punish and demolish poor deployments and it's very hard to plan for a sniper that can flank from nearly any side of the board. Plus if he disperses off the board just put him you DZ to slow a lane down. Boom versatitly! :p
     
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  2. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Hmm. MadTrap and Crane Spitfire. Possibly MadTrap and Xi or MadTrap and Hacker. Maybe even MadTrap and MadTrap now that it's got aggressive utility. If I ever found myself in the unlikely situation where I'd feel a need for an SWC weapon on the cheap it'd be the HMG Zhanying, but I'd probably reconstruct the list to avoid it in that case.
    I'm undecided on the Hsien MRifle atm. On the one hand it's a nice Specialist, on the other I have had really bad results from my MRifles and would probably make do with the MMMR profile complemented by a Hacker to take full advantage of that Tinbot.
     
  3. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    Too bad I'll never find out how wrong I was.

    MULTI rifle is the king of guns and the MULTI Rifle Hsien looks too cool not to use at least once. My old Hsien put down many shas and Homerrhoids when I was learning to play, back when NWI existed independent of shock immunity. I guess it doesn't add much to a MULTI marksman rifle but I have such a place in my heart for it!
     
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  4. Daemon of Razgriz

    Daemon of Razgriz Ninja sniper

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    Not sure what any of this is about. I quit this game almost 2 years ago. I played like, 30ish games of IA. Made some points, didn't like where everything was going. So said, F it. I'm out. I'm only here to see this @ because I log in to play a PbP infinity rpg campaign.
     
  5. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Did you make a Tiger MSR profile? Might be related to that.


    I used my Tiger MSR occasionally, it was a paired drop. BSG came in first, cleared the immediate area, MSR followed him in and started punching things from afar. It was definitely a surprise pick, but I liked having surprise picks available.
     
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  6. Daemon of Razgriz

    Daemon of Razgriz Ninja sniper

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    Oh yes. I was one of the first to talk up the MSR profile. Back when most people laughed at me for using it. But I've not looked at this game for quite awhile. So I'm not sure what's changed in the meta. Apparently white banner finally came out. There you go.
     
  7. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Well this thread is about niche profiles that people had models for, such as the HMG Daofei, getting deleted. The Tiger MSR made that deletion list. It has fewer people throwing rocks at CB about that one though as it didn't actually have a recent model released.

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    If I knew how to edit gifs I'd shop @Bostria over bush, stick a Yu Jing symbol over the valiant shoe thrower who would be hurling his Daofei HMG.

    That's what you can do with your spare Daofeis @Benkei
     
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  8. Amusedbymuse

    Amusedbymuse Well-Known Member

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    If producing models with weapons that don't exist on their profiles is fine due to proxy rules then why wouldn't they make hrmc mutts or dual smg avatar? These would look cool on the table and you cold say what weapon they have.
     
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  9. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    Thats not a fair argument. Its not the argument I made nor is it what CB has done here. Let me try to rephrase what I mean. CB produced the DaoFei HMG when it was a valid profile. But weapon loadouts being changed or dropped during a new edition is something that should be expected. Its not like CB is coming out with a new Edition every other year and forcing people to buy new minis to replace invalided ones. This is only the 4th edition in 15 years. Theres some profiles that have been taken out but it is
     
  10. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Let's approach that with a more fair question, then;

    Do you agree that spending time making rules for tens if not hundreds of discontinued SKUs (Caledonia, Neoterra, Steel Phalanx, etc) is wasted effort? Do you collect any of these armies yourself, perhaps?
    This is the same situation, but on a different scale.
     
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  11. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    I think its fantastic that CB is spending time creating rules for discontinued SKUs. Not only that but those discontinued SKU are still tournament legal. Thats amazing and awesome in my eyes.

    I can safely say I am far less upset about NeoTerra being discontinued because I can still play the army perfectly legally. Not only that I feel safe recommending the army to others if they can still find the minis to buy or they are OK with using some proxys when needed.

    Maybe this is a big disconnect between us.
     
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  12. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    It is, because I personally think that it's not a big deal when a unit is discontinued that that unit's profile is eventually also discontinued (of course, you need to give some head notice from when you stop selling it to when you remove the in-game value of using it as it was sold and advertised).

    I think that applies to all physical products and I think the situation with MRRF-unique miniatures and profiles is in the same place as individual miniatures form other armies like the Daofei HMG.

    So in my eyes, the Daofei HMG has just as much legitimacy to have a profile as does Moblots, Metros, etc. Which is to say I think it's more reasonable to remove Tohaa and MRRF from the game than it is to remove Steel Phalanx, Daofei HMG, and Neoterra from the game, because the head notice on the prior has been given a long time ago compared to the latter. The only difference is the number of affected miniatures. Well, scale and the fact that the Daofei HMG is not at the end of investment, which is more than what you can say for the old Moblots, Metros, Myrmidons, Patroclus, etc.
     
  13. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    Personally I think the lost of the Multi-sniper Tiger is a far bigger deal than the lost of the DaoFei HMG. Losing the HMG changes very little how a DaoFei is used. Losing the Multi-sniper has removed a unique attack range from Tigers.
     
  14. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    For the game sure I agree there (no other ways for tigers to reach out that far), for the people who like to use the models they buy as what they are sold as, it's quiet different.
     
  15. wes-o-matic

    wes-o-matic feeelthy casual

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    Well, Kasym Beg has been eliminated from both the playable profiles list and the fluff. You can’t even proxy him as a different profile of the same troop, he’s a generic Kum Biker at best. He’s a hell of a lot bigger, nicer, pricier model than the HMG Daofei ($30-40 USD, €31 direct from CB).

    Looking over the Haqq forums, I can’t seem to find a nine page salt thread about it. A few mentions, so they definitely noticed he’s gone, but that’s it.

    I’ve got a dual combi Gecko on my painting desk and he’s just been basecoated, now I’m trying to decide whether to leave him as is or swap out the weapons for dual MMRs. I checked the Nomad forums and...guess what I didn’t find there either?

    Weeeeeeeeeird.

    Anyway, have a good one, y’all.
     
  16. Paegis

    Paegis Vincible Officer

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    To be fair, they probably don't have a nine page salt thread because they don't have people arguing about it. This thread could have ended on page 1 if a bunch of people hadn't come in complaining about the complainers.
     
  17. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    But it's not a nine page salt thread. Most of the content in this thread is people going back and forth about whether there is a right to be salty about it in the first place.

    Really, reading through this massive clusterfuck, it seems to be that the biggest conflict is between the ones complaining about people leveraging a legitimate reason to complain.

    It is not an end of the world sort of problem, but it's still a kind of shitty move on CB's part. I prefer my Kaldstrom Daofei anyway, so it's not a major loss for me on any front, but I can get where some people might take a bit of umbrage. It's an easy enough fix no matter how you cut it (specifically at the wrist joint) , but there's really no reason to need to cut it in the first place. CB doesn't always need defending, and I think that may partially be why the YJ ends up being so vocal in response. This entire thread could have easily just been boiled off as a quick, cheeky vent and 'yeah, that sucks bro, CB could have done that a bit better,' and everyone left to move on. Instead we have people spending 9 pages repeating themselves trying to turn that around.


    Also, by the way, there is another trooper with spitfire and HMG options available, the Shasvastii Gwailos. And they are also getting models of both versions.
     
  18. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    Nevermind this, there is no point.
     
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  19. archon

    archon Well-Known Member

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    Hmm mine is already painted and I don´t like like it when they change weapon profiles that are already showed on a actual miniature to something I have to prox with the same mini. Maybe they will release a new one but why they have to delete the old one. Again here no one will get hurt, if the profile exist. So I am dissapointed about that and I have a huge Nomad collection, 75 % painted.

    sry for the slightly off topic
     
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  20. Spitfire_TheCat

    Spitfire_TheCat Feel the Wrath of the Miezi-Bot

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    I can tell you why. Because otherwise the Gecko would cost below 50 points. That's the reason for uparmoring as well.
    But I don't mind. Of the two Geckos till now I built and painted the CR one because it looks freaking cool. And this doesn't change.
    From now on it will be the MMR Gecko. No problem.
     
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