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DBS in N4

Discussion in 'Druze Bayram Security' started by Cannon Fodder, Sep 10, 2020.

  1. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Well-Known Member

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    That I would be upset about. Jannisaries are the goodies. There is no reason they would work for such amoral groups like the Druze.
     
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  2. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    I'd rather they make DBS more distinct from QK/Ikari, if they really need an HI bring a Nomad or PanO one instead.
     
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  3. Space Ranger

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    Not sure if I'd call them goodies. But they are the only ones I can think that could fit. Wu Ming & Tanko are in Ikari, Brigada & Riot Girrls in StarCo, QK. Zuyong in Dahshat, ORC in FC. I think I've said this before, I think the ones that would fit in would be Veteran Kazaks. Mainly due to their Veteran ability. But no idea how that's going to change.
     
  4. AmPm

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    My big hopes are making the Druze themselves more desirable, a roadblock, and some sort of good point man unit. I doubt any of those will happen though. An Al Fasid, or Azra'il would be nice, both would fit well enough. We're lacking a good gunfighter, but that's not a huge problem I guess, we have other tricks, and if the Druze themselves come down in price (not as likely looking at the new Wildcat) it would help out.

    I know Azra'il aren't coming back, but I have the models and they are fantastic, so I want to use them somewhere!
     
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  5. Cthulhu363

    Cthulhu363 May his passage cleanse the world.

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    Their armor 3 will be a little more worth it. Armor 6 in cover will be decent when my HMG gunner takes the inevitable crit to the face. I usually make lists with the cheaper options so i could fit in more orders. I'm actually looking forward to using the more expensive options like the specialist Bashi instead of the SMG/chain rifle i always take. Maybe i'll take a ABH sniper instead of a flashpulse bot. Who knows!
     
  6. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    The Taskmaster would make an excellent roadblock unit.

    The Gecko would be a really interesting option too.
     
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  7. Ayaxs

    Ayaxs Crane agent, Yuandun division.
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    A Druze non-frenzy Ramhorn looks like a good idea without having to bring other units over to DBS
     
  8. jfunkd

    jfunkd hard forum hittin Carlos
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    You and I see different things in that Wildcat profile. For me, it's easy to see where the new Gear and Skill have added to the cost and made them more expensive, but underneath that they actually went down before that gear was added. Looking at the N3 Grenzers, they cost about the same as the N4 Wildcats, but Wildcats bring Terrain: Total and No2 which have a point cost.

    I expect Grenzers to go down in price, but a modest amount; maybe 10%-15%. I expect Druze will do the same.

    Druze are in a weird spot though because they have good stats, skills and a ton of gear. I don't see them losing any of that, but I don't see them getting anything except maybe a NCO or TA profile.

    Edit: Obviously they will lose the AHD, hopefully replaced with a HD. Also I hope they keep that cheap Brawler Hacker Profile around with a HD too.

    I really hoped that we'd get a generic Ramhorn as well. It's the perfect oddball HI surrogate in Druze. Unfortunately I think CB would see it's inclusion as the Toni Macayana/Tikibalang problem, where Scarface brings so much more to the table that the generic version is never taken. IMO Scarface is point for point, may be the best deal for a TAG in the game. As all TAGs are getting cheaper that may not still be true in N4.
     
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  9. Space Ranger

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    I'm going to use one for my Ikari Al Faseed. I just think he looks cooler.

    I think they could bring over some of the better selling figures from QK into Druze. The Az is one of the coolest figures they have I think!
     
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  10. Cthulhu363

    Cthulhu363 May his passage cleanse the world.

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    Ok, Now i really want Gecko in DBS. I just really love those models and want an excuse to use them.
     
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  11. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Yeah, it'd give Druze a nice chonky slab of beef and also keep them distinct from QK and the other NA2s.
     
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  12. AmPm

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    I know where the Wildcat points increase came from, but I don't like it. I would have preferred less gear and less points. I think it leaves them in a strange place of delicate gunfighters and link (the link may not collapse, but a Haris losing a person may as well not exist, and a 5 man costs as much as some HI links).

    Druze were already in that spot and it's not great. Would like to see something to give them a little oomph as far as their profiles or costs.

    A generic Ramhorn would be awesome. It's one of my favorite TAG models.
     
  13. jfunkd

    jfunkd hard forum hittin Carlos
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    I'm not commenting about whether or not I like the Wildcat profile, I just think it's probably a mistake to assume that Druze Shock team profiles will increase in points because of it.

    Druze are expensive, but I struggle to call it bloat... everything is useful on them and I have leveraged every bit of those skills and gear in my games with them. I always felt that Fatality was that skill that was the power-skill that separated Druze from other MI, it's going to be nice to have in N4 too where ARM/BTS is going to be rolled more often.

    @AmPm Sorry I hope I don't come off like I'm arguing, I'm just offering my PoV on Druze costs.
     
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  14. AmPm

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    It's all good! I've just found that i typically don't run many Druze in my Druze.
     
  15. kesharq

    kesharq Lucky Dice-Roller

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    As Corregidor definitely does not fit into DBS fluffwise (there was an incident where DBS crushed a rebellion of Nomad workers) there "should" be no Geckos or Mobile Brigada. But Tunguskan Mafia troops deginitely do fit. :)

    I expect to see some sort of HI like WuMing or Al'Faseed joining ranks with the DBS (as those two are described as rogue units woth a bad reputation).
    And I hope for another real Druze unit with 1W+NWI (doesn't matter if LI, MI or HI) with a low AVA of 1-2 - something like a Druze in an armoured zero-G suit with some kind of NCO :)
     
  16. dhellfox

    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    dbs could really go for a generic Ramhorn with a variety of loadouts to set it apart from scarface. (maybe one with a msv of some lvl or a smoke launcher)
    a S5 "fatsuit" is a must however it would have to be a druze unique model to fit as their own tech is supposed to be impressive for mercs.
     
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  17. AmPm

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    I would be pretty happy with just a Druze HI profile without an official model. Doesn't bother me to proxy some more commonly manufactured armors.
     
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  18. Space Ranger

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    I'd like them to come out with something more like Brawlers that can be found throughout most NA2 forces. I think Brawlers are the only one that can be seen in all but JSA. And I'd be fine with it being like an AVA1 Heavy.
     
  19. AmPm

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    So...Druze are one of the few units that didn't get leaked today. Because they weren't in the new ARMY. Hopefully this means that CB is taking a measured and considerate approach on how to design/price them.
     
  20. RolandTHTG

    RolandTHTG Still wandering through the Night

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    Were Bolts missing too? That may be the explanation of why that whole issue arose, that primarily Na2 units were being reviewed later.
     
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