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Discussion in 'News' started by Ben Kenobi, Mar 4, 2019.

  1. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Precisely my point.

    If the mate is 100% of the time "active" until the roll is forced (so it acts against hacking without being spent, I think), then the roll is forced, but you suffer no effects from it => triggers the removal condition
    If the mate is "passive until tirggered", then the Total Inmunity is not active until the mate is, so the Flash Pulse triggers the mate, and no roll is made, but the mate is discarded at the end.
     
  2. Bellyflop

    Bellyflop Well-Known Member

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    Reread symbiomates. You have total immunity as a skill until the mate goes away.

    A SymbioMate provides its user in the Active Symbiont Armor state an ARM and BTS value of 9—replacing the ARM and BTS values of the user’s Troop Profile—and it also provides the Total Immunity Special Skill
     
  3. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    It also says it is a single use piece of equipment, not a piece of equipment in constant use until the removal conditions are triggered...
     
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  4. Bellyflop

    Bellyflop Well-Known Member

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    That bullet point I posted says exactly that.
     
  5. maru

    maru Well-Known Member

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    Ok
    in Ramalah
    Rafik Fto can duo with Maghariba
    but can Rafik Fto Duo with Wildcard replacing magrariba with lets say Leila Sharif ??/
    and in reverse maggy + wildcard instade rem ??
     
  6. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Symbiomates specifically state they do not affect Hackng or Comms Attacks.
     
  7. ev0k

    ev0k Well-Known Member

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    Total immunity is a consequence of bearing a mate, not spending it :
    A SymbioMate provides its user in the Active Symbiont Armor state an
    ARM and BTS value of 9—replacing the ARM and BTS values of the
    user’s Troop Profile—and it also provides the Total Immunity Special Skill
     
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  8. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    Rafiq has Fireteam: Duo skill. His Fireteam table says Maghariba + Rafiq. A Wildcard can substitute the Maghariba.
    It's the same with the Maghariba, it has Fireteam: Duo skill.
     
  9. Xeurian

    Xeurian Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but keep in mind that Leila is the only option since Tarik's wildcard is specific to Harris and Core fireteams.
     
  10. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Ah, right. SymbioMate is suffering from repeat redundancy. It applies ARM/BTS/TI twice, both passively and also has another trigger when suffering an attack.
     
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  11. Teslarod

    Teslarod Trebuchet Enthusiast

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  12. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately SymioMates have TWO bullet points telling you to apply the protection. They are back to back and it makes parsing the rule difficult.


    * A SymbioMate provides its user in the Active Symbiont Armor state an ARM and BTS value of 9 replacing the ARM and BTS values of the user's Troop Profile and it also provides the Total Immunity Special Skill.
    * When a trooper in the Active Symbiont Armor state with a SymbioMate suffers a successful Attackor is affected by any weapon or rulethat forces any ARM or BTS Rolls she will perform an ARM/BTS Roll with an Attribute value of 9, applying the Total Immunity Special Skill. Any other successful Attacksor weapon or rulerequiring any ARM or BTS Rolls by the user during the same Order will also apply the ARM/BTS 9 Attribute value, and the Total Immunity Special Skill.
     
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  13. ev0k

    ev0k Well-Known Member

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    There's not really a trigger effect for the arm/bts bonus and TI skill. It's more a trigger effect for the spending of the mate. If you don't have to roll for a ARM/BTS roll, your arm value is irrelevant ,as you don't need to check it. Since you have to chech arm or bts then you do it with value 9 and TI, thus consuming the mate.

    IMHO
     
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  14. Teslarod

    Teslarod Trebuchet Enthusiast

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    Yeah, failed to notice that you are permanentlly ARM/BTS9 Total Immunity as long as the Mate is Active.
    So Flashpulse hits on their own don't trigger the Mate
     
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  15. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    So a sudden "nerf" to Tohaa mates just became kinda of buff ?;P
     
  16. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Not according to the testers I know, who I assume will check in case it changed since the testing :S
     
    #776 xagroth, Mar 28, 2019
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  17. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Well-Known Member

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    Tell the tester ijw doesn't agree.
     
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  18. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    However, I do note that a SymbioMate-equipped trooper can fall up to its first MOV value with very little risk; DAM 10 vs ARM 9 and the fall damage is not an attack so it won't end the SymbioMate state unless you roll a 1 enough times to get your Symbiont inactive (since the state requires an active Symbiont)

    See @spears post later in the thread.
     
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  19. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    QA in action xD
     
  20. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    Wow, I'm really impressed by your stoic clam.

    We need even more kudos!
     
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