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Daedalus Fall

Discussion in 'News' started by Ben Kenobi, Mar 4, 2019.

  1. Aspect Graviton

    Aspect Graviton Friendly Alien Overlord
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    ... Yes?
     
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  2. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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  3. Mahtamori

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    Well, they are no Kamau or Nisse, nor even Black Friar, but then again it's not the sniper that needs the attention, it's the other profiles (for the same reasons as Bolts) and their Pheasant babysitter.

    Additionally, it's not like the faction needs a buff, but it would be nice to have more options when climbing that ladder (so to speak)
    The problem with Impersonation will always be the two levels of it on IMP-1 and the extreme infiltration, not necessarily the modifiers. With these inferior impersonation becoming more common I somehow doubt it's going to make BioV much of a factor.
    After all, the comparatively extreme amounts of camo and TO camo has failed to make Sensor a mandatory necessity.

    Now... if BioV allowed you to ignore IMP state entirely when attacking targets in ZoC...

    (Edit: or allowed then to identify private info such as LT is a more moderate idea.)
     
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  4. Triumph

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    Uhh... but it literally does nothing against the new impersonators and cybermask. Link teams already ignore the surprise attack by default with sixth sense and bio visors don't ignore anything against impersonation level 2.
     
  5. Space Ranger

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    I'm not wanting big changes on them. As we've seen, just giving some options like specialists can be great. Special Operative, FO, Killer Hacker, whatever.

    The biovisor was almost useless before. He was never where the Impersonator was. Any good player will keep him last and not even go near them.
     
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  6. DukeofEarl

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    Not everyone is in/gets a link team and with Biometric L2's +3 WIP for discovers you are in a good spot for sure.
     
  7. Mahtamori

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    Just saying, but doing that you've used up your Core so;
    1. You can't keep your Kuang Shi under control (without heavy CT spending)
    2. You won't get the reliable Smoke Grenade Launcher to happen (without above heavy CT spending)
    3. You have invested a bare minimum of 95/0 on 4 wounds
    4. More realistically you've invested 142/1.5 or more on 5 wounds of which ARM2 (on the Pheasant) is the only protective skill between them

    Just because it's possible doesn't make it a good idea nor viable gameplay.
     
  8. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    I'm not following you. Did you mean to quote Triumph?
     
  9. archon

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    Bao´s would like a Wildcard ;-)
     
  10. Mahtamori

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    Nope I'm quoting the correct person (Triumph is the sum total of my ignore list) But I did forget +3 MOD is from the visor and not from the 5-man core.

    Still, it's very expensive and requires a Pheasant for the Fireteam, and Pheasants are kind of in need of yet another pass where it decides if it wants to be an attack piece* or a support piece similar to a Kempeitai...

    * can't actually think of a decent melee oriented attack piece with 1 wound, no CH levels and no deployment skills...
     
  11. Space Ranger

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    Hey Aquila got Wildcard so Hsien could. But actually a good one would be the Pheasant. Another one that I hardly ever see. except now they made the Sniper good.
     
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  12. eciu

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    Better Flash too otherwise half of factions are screwed up.
     
  13. archon

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    On a serious side, Bao´s with WC are more flexible. You can have one in the core and an other in a defensive haris for example. Try that with a 60+ pts. model ;-) And yes the Bao will be out faster than a HI, but you can have MSV2 in two (linkable) places.

    By the way the Aquila gets WC only on the Multi Rifle version.

    PS: Bao would like a Red Fury also. I think that (and the Rui Shi) is the main reason, Bao´s are rarely taken; they lack a burst 4 weapon. ISS ist the Sectorial with the most MSV2 options, but you end up with the expensive Hsien or the cheap Rui Shi.

    We would something that make ISS better? Look to the Spiral Core and replace Reex Escorts with Kuang Shi :-P
     
  14. DukeofEarl

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    Yeah. I was talking specifically about not needing to have a link to make a unit with BioVL2 useful in the list.

    You missed a whole conversation though due to your ignore list, so that's understandable. I was quoting Triumph in my post.
     
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  15. Triumph

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    We're talking about Bao, dude. They don't get Biometric l2's and the only time you would ever consider taking them is in a link for ISS.

    EDIT: actually I stand corrected, they do have L2 visors.
     
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  16. Section9

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    Could I get a copy of that mission?

    I'm trying to get and keep an archive of all the CB missions.

    Thanks!



    ?

    The only things I could positively ID Bolts overpaying was for the Combi+LSG (+2pts compared to Aragotos) and the Drop Bears (+2pts compared to Yadu).

    I'd thought the Drop Bear profile should be 21pts, not 22, based on Yadu. @Koni could you have someone doublecheck that before the Army update goes live, please? Thanks!


    As said, it's not the Sniper that's a problem. He's always good to take as a solo. There's just little to no point to take more than that. No point to take a Bao Haris or Core (especially since taking a Bao Core means you can't take a Kuang Shi Core!).
     
  17. Marduck

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    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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  19. Nimlothautle

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    Biometric visors don't do anything when the infiltrator can deploy anywhere in the DZ, especially right next to her target, or can walk in under cover of smoke and have 2 levels of discovery. Visors need a rework, make them free point-wise and make them at least msv1 on top of the biometry, and maybe better: if there is a bio visor in your list, impersonators can't deploy in the DZ. Or even better than that, for each bio visor in you list there is a -3 mod to the roll to infiltrate the DZ like guided and u-turn, or each bio visor trooper gets a wip roll F2F against the infiltrator like hack transport. This gives a reason (maybe not an amazing one) to run multiple Bao troopers.
     
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