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Crits and New Symbiomates

Discussion in 'Rules' started by DukeofEarl, Apr 9, 2019.

  1. ev0k

    ev0k Well-Known Member

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    You get TI the moment you're assigned a mate...
     
  2. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    that second point is telling you when you get your TI. And the wiki is the primary rules source as well, Storm has been very clear about that


    if that is not how that rule is supposed to be read, then its far from "clearly" written
     
  3. deltakilo

    deltakilo Bear of Butcher bay
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    So mates aren't a nerf at all but a buff. I'm so done with this right now. Not even being able to flash tohaa with mates is awful. I'm so dissapointed with this.
     
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  4. ev0k

    ev0k Well-Known Member

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    This is going nowhere....
     
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  5. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    @daboarder It helps if you clear your mind of the idea of "Activating" the SymbioMate and instead look at it like an Status Effect, similar to Albedo let's say, that goes away at the end of any order where the unit makes an ARM or BTS roll.
     
  6. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    If you ignore the whole Total Immunity aspect and how that changes lots of interactions.
     
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  7. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    oh now its been mentioned I understand how it can be read that way, or even that is what is intended...
    So Id change my original answer to eciu.

    But it aint clear thats for sure, especially as this is the 3rd time ive seen this argument play out
     
  8. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    IJW has verified a few times that this is the way it is supposed to work. The 3rd bullet is a terribly written cancellation clause essentially.
     
  9. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    then theyve got to reword the example as well
    because as tom pointed out before its written such that the TI is cuased byu expending the mate on the gorgos.
    to me this reads more like an ad hoc justification
     
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  10. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    This and this. The rule needs a complete rewrite either making it very clear you have TI for every attack until an attack hits that cancels the mate, or that you don't.

    Right now, the second bullet point isn't clear about that. Also the wiki is missing the punctuation of the third bullet point that specifically defines a successful attack as something that causes ARM/BTS rolls, because it has implications for crits.
     
  11. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    You have both me and @ijw in this thread saying it.

    And yes, you may be right in the need to rewrite the examples.
     
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  12. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    That's not what the use of "or" in that bullet point means.
     
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  13. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Neither of you are an official CB source, though.

    If it's true it's a significant nerf to Flash Pulses that makes me question their playtesting process.
     
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  14. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    IIRC this was actually the point, considering how cheap Flash Pulse spam is...
     
  15. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    If they addressed that before they addressed things like Posthumans that's wrongheaded. Besides, it's not like all armies have a trooper with Total Immunity or Symbiomates - this doesn't help a lot of factions, and Tohaa were already top-tier. Removing a way to stymie Sukeuls isn't good for the game.

    You say "iirc" but when was this stated by CB?
     
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  16. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    I don't remember if it was someone who spoke with them, or a non-CB person who is involved in playtesting, or even just my poor memory. Maybe it was just some random person on the forums and I'm just projecting *shrug*.
     
  17. ijw

    ijw Wargaming Trader, Freelance Editor (UK)
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    Yes it is. X or Y, that forces a roll.
     
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  18. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    I don't think anyone is disagreeing that it isn't very well written.
     
  19. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    The phrasing on the wiki conflicts with the rulebook.
     
  20. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    If you look at the PDF it is formatted in a different way than the Wiki, which supports IJW's stance.
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