Cover for friendly Trooper vs BS Attack into CC

Yeah sure, don't want to discuss the Target rules I literally quoted earlier

Target
Game element capable of being targeted by Attacks, and effects from Skills or Equipment.

Any trooper can be a target, but Attacks, Skills or Equipment make him the target for an Order.
Remind me again how a friendly trooper that can not satisfy the conditions to make him the target for a Rifle BS Attack from another friendly trooper, ends up being the target for that BS Attack when it misses the actual target of that BS Attack.

 

That's made up interaction on your side.
Completely ignoring that even the BS Attack into Close Combat rules call the enemy trooper the target.

BS Attack Into a Close Combat
If a BS Attack is declared against an enemy Trooper that is engaged in CC Combat a -6 MOD must be applied for each Allied Trooper engaged in the CC (in addition to any MODs for Range, Cover, Mimetism... for the target).

Every failed BS Attack Roll will hit the Allied Trooper, forcing them to perform a Saving Roll. If there are several Allied Troopers locked in that Close Combat, then the Trooper’s player chooses which one of them receives each hit.

It doesn't say choose which allied trooper becomes the target.
It says the failed BS Attack Roll will simply hit the Allied Trooper.
At no point in time is there any percievable correlation in between getting hit and becoming the target as you claim.

Using actual game terms

Target
Game element capable of being targeted by Attacks, and effects from Skills or Equipment.

being the target requires being targeted by Attacks, not getting hit by Attacks.
You can be a target without ever taking a single hit.

Great we have someone pitching in.

I need one in the rules example of a target changing after Declaration. Or any sort of rule reference that confirms getting hit makes you a target.
Note it's not in the Template rules, those are placed at declaration, so all targets are locked in then.

 

Fair, but that's not changing any of the original targets, just adding more.

 

Look at the OP.
The problem is Partial Cover only applies to the Target of a BS Attack.
Since the wording for hitting your own trooper in a CC with a BS Attack with every shot that misses, never makes your own trooper become the target of that BS Attack, your own trooper doesn't get the -3 DAM if he gets hit by friendly fire (not the Target, no Partial Cover for you).
Even though the Target (the enemy trooper) will get the damage reduction against anything that hits him in the same Burst.

This is a stupid interaction, no question about it.
But it is how the rules handle that interaction at the moment.
I was trying to confirm that this is in fact stupid, yet how the rule technically works.
And have been wasting my time ever since on people claiming weird shit (like Medkits being BS Attacks or getting hit on a miss making you the Target, because it is apparently the natural conclusion for reasons that elude me).

 

You were so close.
Look again.

BS Attack Into a Close Combat
If a BS Attack is declared against an enemy Trooper that is engaged in CC Combat a -6 MOD must be applied for each Allied Trooper engaged in the CC (in addition to any MODs for Range, Cover, Mimetism... for the target).

Every failed BS Attack Roll will hit the Allied Trooper, forcing them to perform a Saving Roll. If there are several Allied Troopers locked in that Close Combat, then the Trooper’s player chooses which one of them receives each hit.

Types of Cover
Total Cover
Total Cover completely blocks the attacker's vision of his target, obstructing any LoF to their Silhouette.
A target is in Total Cover when one or more scenery items completely blocks LoF to its Silhouette.

Partial Cover
Partial Cover does not allow the attacker to see the whole Silhouette of their BS Attack's target.
A target is in Partial Cover when they are in contact with a piece of scenery that partially obscures their Silhouette.

If the target is in Partial Cover, the attacker will apply a -3 MOD to their BS Attack Roll and the target of the BS Attack reduces the Attack Damage by 3 for Saving Roll purposes, if the Roll was necessary.

1. Partial Cover reduces Attacker A's BS by 3.
2. Partial Cover reduces the DAM of hits against Enemy B by 3.
3. The Shot misses the target, no Roll necessary for the target Enemy B.

C then gets hit by his friend Attacker A. It does not matter if C is in Partial Cover against the Attacker for the BS Mod for obvious reasons.

It also does not matter if C is in Total Cover against Attacker A, all failed BS Attacks will still cause C to take the hit that missed.

There is no retargeting happening. C is never called the Target in this scenario, B however is.

Enemy B is still the target of that BS Attack and will get hit by all other successful Attack rolls after MODs from the same Burst.

Ally C however will have to make Saving Rolls for all failed BS Attacks.

C will not be able to benefit from Partial Cover's Damage -3 MOD which only applies to the target of the BS Attack, which is Enemy B, as mentioned in the BS Attack Into a Close Combat rules.

 

??? it literally says the Damage reduction happens for the target.
Not the Attack.
The target.
I highlighted AND underlined the rule text it in green above FFS.

 

Well lets run your scenario :

You insist that a "failed Attack agaist the target" results in hitting the target.
Your interpretation runs into the additional problem that you have to consider relative position for the allied trooper, who now would be the target. The allied trooper would not get Partial Cover because the enemy trooper had Partial Cover.
The Allied trooper would have to have Partial Cover himself against his ally in your scenario to benefit from Damage reduction.
Then I ran into the problem of "what if he had Total Cover?".

BS Attack mention how they set targets.
It needs to be in LOF at declaration and has the BS Attack declared against it.
A friendly trooper in CC with an enemy does not have to fulfill that target requirement for BS Attacks and can be around the corner.

Templates mention how they set targets
If the template AOE touches the Silhouette during the Order you're a target.

You might end up getting hit because you are a target of the Attack.
You don't end up as the target because you get hit.
When is your interpretation of "Since a target is anything that can be affected by skills" locked in?

Target
Game element capable of being targeted by Attacks, and effects from Skills or Equipment.

The wording isn't "can" but "capable of being targeted". So using your logic any trooper on the board is always a target of any BS Attack declared. Can we agree that doesn't make ayn sort of sense?


I'll stick with a target for an attack has to be on the receiving end of an Attack declaration (as i.e. per BS Attack requirements) or a template AOE. That's simply how the rules work. I'm not willing to throw everything else over board just because I want go give an ally cover when shooting into CC.

 

Sorry but the entire problem here is that this is untrue.
Your made up definition has no basis or reference in the rules.

We already established that the wording here varies by Ammo Type.
Normal Ammunition does not have that problem.
Other Ammunition like EXP has that problem.
You're basing your assumption on EXP being the correct wordin for Ammunition and disregarding Normal Ammunition. Which again ignores that ammunition types are not consistent which is a separate issue.

You're also disregarding that we apply a specific exception of the rules when shooting into CC.
You normally can't hit things with failed BS Attacks at all.
Yet here we are hitting our own trooper.

 

Said the guy who refuses to use the actual wording of a rule and replaces terminology willy nilly to whatever suits him.

Target
Game element capable of being targeted by Attacks, and effects from Skills or Equipment.

No one:...
You: The target of the attack is determined by being affected by the attack which in most cases is done by assigning burst to a unit as part of detailing the BS Attack's effects on declaration.


What's wrong with insisting "being affected" leading to be being a target lacks a rule reference and doesn't have anything to do with it?
Again, you jumbled the AOE rule around until it suits your narrative:

Area of Effect
The Area of Effect of a Template is the area it covers with a single declaration of use. For example, if you declare an Attack using a Template Weapon, all Troopers or targets in Silhouette contact or inside the Area of Effect of the Template are affected by the Attack.

Targets are specifically affected by attacks when Templates are involved.
This is templates only.
An it's not you are a target because you are affected by the attack.
It's you are a target because your Silhouette is in contact with the template and that gets you affected by the Attack. Which for the 10th time, is not relevant because templates and Area of Effect are irrelevant for BS Attacks into CC for the simple reason that you can not hit your own trooper with a template.

BS Attacks have targets they get declared against.
BS Attack into CC outlines a specific exception where someone that is explicitly different from the target (which is the enemy trooper BS MODs are calculated against) takes the hit anyway if you miss.
You try to read the weirdest things into an amalgamation of AOE, Target and BS Attack into CC rules that have no interaction nor the wording you end up presenting.