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Courage and Mines

Discussion in 'Rules' started by maliciousadvice, Mar 20, 2023.

  1. maliciousadvice

    maliciousadvice New Member

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    I encountered a scenario and was hoping we could all come to a consensus.
    Mines are triggered by the execution or declaration of a skill.
    Mines are not triggered by guts.
    However Courage is an automatic skill.
    Upon the declaration of using courage, would that trigger the mine?
    do automatic skills fall under the "declaration of a skill" clause?
     
  2. Titus

    Titus Varuna Beach Commando

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    It's an automatic skill. It doesn't require an order or ARO to use it. It just makes you be able to pass the guts roll, which specifically says that doesn't trigger mines.

    So I think it's safe to say Courage doesn't activate mines and there is nothing in the rules to think otherwise.
     
  3. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Automatic skills don't need to be declared, that's what makes them automatic.
     
  4. obyiscus

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    But you have to declare whether you use it or not, as distinct from a non-optional automatic skill. Automatic just means it doesn't use a short skill, or aro.
     
  5. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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  6. obyiscus

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    Makes sense, 'declare' in mines is being used as a specific use term (i.e. order declaration) rather than as a ordinary use of declare (i.e. stating intent of something), as in "choosing to use a skill". Because courage requires a declaration in the ordinary use of the word, as while it is automatic it is also optional, and a player must declare/say whether they are using it or not.
     
  7. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    I have to point out that courage takes effect in the guts rolls stage, at the resolution step of the Order Expenditure Sequence, nothing triggers a mine at that stage, neither Guts rolls, not dodge movement, why would Courage trigger a mine?
     
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  8. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    In Infinity "Declaring" a skill specifically means steps 1.2, 2.2, 3, and 4.2 of the Order Expenditure Sequence.

    https://infinitythewiki.com/Trooper_Activation#Order_Expenditure_Sequence

    Courage is an automatic skill so can be used without being Declared, you simply state "I am using courage"
     
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