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Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by zapp, Aug 17, 2019.

  1. Ten Thousand Arrows

    Ten Thousand Arrows Imperial Sage

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    Hopefully this is a wake up call to Corvus Belli. Unfortunately I think they're making money hand over fist on their newer factions and will stick to "drinking Yu Jing tears".
     
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  2. IAGO242

    IAGO242 Executive Officer

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    It’s an easy fix I think. Give Hulang Smoke!
     
  3. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Eclipse smoke might be better balanced, but yeah.
     
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  4. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    Lol.

    This forum managed to find a way to dismiss a whole season's stats in their outrage about uprising.

    This is one data point. One. You can't even fake stats from that. So what's the wake up call?
     
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  5. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    What whole season's stats?
     
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  6. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    The using ITS 8/9 data about profile use.
     
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  7. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I'm still waiting for the rest of the factions to get the "profiles they don't use" cut away from them with such a pathetic excuse as that one.

    Because nobody was using any Japanese profile at all, sure. Such BS.
     
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  8. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    The use of those stats for what they did was clearly incorrect. It was a post hoc justification for what they already wanted to do.
     
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  9. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    I don't see how this explains why the same critics of bad stats are ok with this example?
     
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  10. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    This example isn't being used to make claims as far-reaching.
     
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  11. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Remind me which stats were these again? The ones they showed on stream about the useage of JSA units?
     
  12. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Yup, and which was clearly influenced heavily by people making lists with just what they had in Red Veil, not what people actually ran in tournaments.
     
  13. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    Clearly. No assumptions required.
     
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  14. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    The amount of Zhanshi in there made it pretty clear.
     
  15. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    I'm pretty sure Invincible Army counts as "new" and they are getting a ton of sculpts lately.
     
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  16. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Well no, we were actually just told that it wasn't ITS lists it was all lists submitted including experimental crap people just make and then never touch.


    Even if we assume that the data wasn't inherently flawed it was showing that stuff like the Raidens, Oniwabans, Kitsune were all being used about as much as the Su Jian and Dao Fei. So if we accept the argument that they were underused by Yu Jing players, then we also have to make an argument that the Su Jian and Dao Fei are underused by Yu Jing players, which is frankly stupid.

    The more logical point is these units are expensive in either points, SWC, or both and therefore don't fit physically into every list however they are still powerful and valued assets regardless of this and it might explain why your players are pissed off even if they didn't manage to cram them into every list they make.

    Like @Hecaton said the data shown was dubious in value and then misrepresented to support a point that it did not.
     
  17. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Surely, when you hear a train coming straight for your position, there is no room to make the assumption that a train is going to cross your position at high speed.
    The same way that seeing ALL the Red Veil units for YJ being the most used in the Army for a period of time going from the release of Red Veil to the Uprising or so.
     
  18. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    Verity, the tea leaves all pointed at the sun. It was a sign!
     
  19. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    Mockery, the refuge of people with no arguments to be made.

    I'll ask again: if CB has to reduce their catalogue and it's using statistics pulled from Army to do so: how come Yu Jing is still the ONLY army that got units taken away from it? Surely there are units in other armies that don't get taken in list? What makes Yu Jing special? Why do their players have to just eat this and shut up? Did they choose the wrong faction? Couldn't someone have warned them if they bought into Yu Jing they would get fucked because statistics say so?

    Or course these are all rethorical questions, because we all know the "statistics" angle was just BS they had to come up with when they realized they had fucked up and people were understandably pissed. Can we talk about the "design space" angle maybe, with all the new units opening new ways to play that have come this last year for YJ? Oh, right, there are none, because the pain train IA style could already be done with Wu Ming in IS and Dahshat does it better and with more versatility anyway. So, again, fuck you if you chose to play the evil yellow menace because CB doesn't seem to know how to do something interesting for an Eastern faction that doesn't have anime Japanese shit inside.
     
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  20. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Do you think it's reasonable that people make more lists with the models they have than they models they wish they had?
     
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