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Corrigedor: Possible Improvements

Discussion in 'Nomads' started by Del S, Apr 19, 2018.

  1. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Like more Moran profiles would be cool but nobody can even say that Morans are not immensely good as it.
     
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  2. SuperD

    SuperD Well-Known Member

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    Somebody give this man a medal! I like Wildcats, Brigada and Geckos as is. They're not exciting models but they work but Intruders, man.... Corregidor are THE intruder faction and I would love more options to take advantage of the extra AVA. There aren't many models that convince a guy to play a faction but Intruders certainly qualify as the biggest, baddest killers most likely to die to a combi crit in the game.

    Infiltrate with multi-rifle options (prowler supreme). Lieutenant options with HMG (so amazing!). TWO flamethrowers! Their OWN smoke grenades (haha that would be hilarious).
     
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  3. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    The. 5 SWC tax on MI needs to be killed in Nomads. Shift it to LI but MI should be our jam. (Yes I'm suggesting 1.5SWC HRL Wildcats and 2SWC ML Algs).

    The other change I'd make is Lt profile on the No 2 as well.

    Brigada need love. This is the same as all of the 'vanilla' HI. My preferred option is to increase link flexibility: 1SWC Hacker Tinbot option, 1SWC Tinbot MR+LFT (with Lt profile), Lt Hacker option, secondary weapon on the ML, add BSG FO specialist (some or all of these options). Don't allow Starco to get this cool shit: but do similar things to Orcs, Janissaries, maybe Suryats and (depending on the plan for IA) Shang Ji.

    The point shouldn't be 'you build a MB link and it looks like this' it's: wow you can build the MB link so many ways that I don't know how I'll do it.

    It's fine that *when comparing non-fury pain train lists* MBs competitive advantage is 'has the best support'. But your correct that this isn't a to take MB over Wildcats.

    I'd also consider just giving a blanket Duo to the non-fury HI. But honesrly I'm against the 'just add a Haris it'll be good' it's as lazy as 'just add Mimmetism'. But by adding a chunk of flexibility to the profiles you make 3 x MB Cores more viable and able to pair with the 2 existing Haris options.

    Re: expanding Lt options, it's not about increasing the the Lt flexibility but rather about not letting the Lt hold the link back.

    Next thing I'd do: nerf Grrls (-1 BS +1 Phys and give their Haris to TMs*).

    Ultimately any 'problems' with Corregidor isn't because Corregidor is bad but rather because what constitutes best has shifted. The power creep is real.

    * Grrls shouldn't get a Haris in Bakunin. TM Haris is actually interesting and self limiting its ~140pts.
     
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  4. wellspokenman

    wellspokenman Retired Intruder

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    I'd love to see a Brigada character. I was hoping we'd get a playable version of the Luxumbra MB bust.
     
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  5. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Yeah Acherontia(?) would be awesome as a MB character!
     
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  6. natetehaggresar

    natetehaggresar Backlogged Painter

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    Make her a killer hacker with a smg NAOW!!!
     
  7. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Just throwing Infiltration on a basic Intruder Combi would be crazy OP you have no idea. It would need to be gentle.
     
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  8. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    No TinbotB KHD please they're bad enough.
     
  9. natetehaggresar

    natetehaggresar Backlogged Painter

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    I disagree that this would be bad. Brigada links are already expensive and lack cheap filler like hafza, my Ming, (daktaris!). At least if you pay out for a tinbot and a KHD you are creating a new HI niche, PAYing for it, and it thematically fits with Nomads
     
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  10. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Geckos with Duo with a Brigada should not be out of the question. Sure, you might see 2 Brigada + Gecko duo on the table, but that's it, and it's a buff for the Brigadas.

    Another thing I would add is one Brigada to the Wildcats CORE, and maybe to the Alguaciles CORE.

    Giving more use to the Tomcats outside of the AD option would be great so the box is not a "you will never use it full". Placing a single Tomcat inside a Wildcats/Alguaciles CORE would be interesting, since you could have a medic on those (and an engineer on the Alguaciles). Mind you, it would be either the Brigada or the Tomcat, and only for the CORE.
    Being able to add a Jaguar or Alguacil to the Wildcats Haris would be great, too.

    Being able to cheapen the Brigada links somehow would be great, maybe being able to add 1-2 Alguaciles (including Lupe) to the link would give it the needed cheapening without giving headaches.

    As for Carlota, counting as a tomcat gives her options (but leaves Moriarti out of the game), I would maybe make her a Paramedic on top of being an engineer, but that's it, and it's stretching the thing a little too far I'd say... thematically I see her ok, the problem is that you usually have enough with a standard Tomcat, and those 8 points are a whole order from a remote. Discounting her in 1-2 points might do the trick.
     
  11. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Adding a Tomcat to something like Wildcats could actually be interesting because you need to buy the AD but not use it. Could help keep the cost fair but add some options to the link.
     
  12. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    I'd just let up to 2 Mobile Brigada and up to 4 Wildcats form a special core team, and up to 1 Brigada and up to 2 Wildcats form a special Haris.

    Seems like it would make Brigada much more desirable without messing around with their profiles, and add a cool mixed link which the Sectoral has none of.
     
  13. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    I'm careful about the Brigadas linked with Wildcats because of the Engineer in the Wildcats fireteam... It essentially removes the "oh f*ck!" problem hackers pose to links with HI, since you can solve all those with an engineering roll (and the enemy would be forced to go for IMM hacks, since the Isolated would help by taking the HI from the link so the link can remove the Isolated without the HI generating ARO too).

    I think they have 0G if they don't use AD, but the point is that Tomcats and Wildcats are more or less on the same points bracket, and you gain the option to link a medic or a Deployable Repeater... and then, light flamethrowers.
     
  14. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    You're still paying for the AD2.

    Also Wildcats have deployable repeaters for no SWC. And plently of flamethrowers :p

    But Doctor or Mines/EMitter would both be really good in the link without lowering the cost. Anyways it wouldn't happen but it would be pretty cool and give more of a reason behind the AD/0-G choice.
     
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  15. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Well, that's a first, I never thought I'd see someone telling me to beware the linked Engineer with HI, consider the sheer power! ;)

    I think it'd be pretty good, but at the same time, Corregidor are supposed to have excellent Engineering capability, maybe even some of the best in the Sphere in terms of flexibility and versatility, so I feel that'd be a cool little element actually, that they do have the ability to put one right there in case of blasted E/M and ADHL.

    I can't think of any other Sectoral that has access to three Engineers now I think of it, that's more than most entire factions have in fact (Morats have two, CA have three in total I think? Haqq has 2, PanO has 1 lmao, Yu Jing has 1 these days extra lmao, ALEPH has 3, Tohaa has 2, Ariadna has... 2? I think yes).
     
  16. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Well, I didn't say I was opposed, just to be careful, since there is no single HI engineer, neither are any linkable engineer with HI (there is one with a TAG, Cordelia + Scarface, on Druze Bayram, though).

    As for eng, I can tell you that nope, Aleph has 4 profiles (AVA2 Sopfie, AVA1 Mk1 posthuman, AVA dunno Thorakitai engineer, AVA dunno Dactyls), and CA has Dr Worm everywhere, Morat have at least 1 engineer, and Shasvastii at least 1 engineer profiles (dunno AVAs, but for Dr Worm which is 1). Haqq has the support one and the Kaplan I think.
    Yeah, PanO and YJ, the factions with more TAGs or HI, have ONE engineer... (well, ISS has 1 sofie too), which is kinda... wtf. Ariadna... I think you are right, Irmandinho and Dozer only?

    Really missing that excel table with everything to consult stuff.
     
  17. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Corregidor doesn't have access to 3 Engineers either: it's 4.
     
  18. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Also having linkable and especially AD Engineers is different than having flavor 2 of a DZ engineer. Especially considering that to match Corregidor you need to compare to a Vanilla faction. Yeah Engineering is a bit of a Corregidor speciality.
     
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  19. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    When people criticize Corregidor they don't tend to say that Corregidor units are bad. What they say hurts sectorial is that reasons to pick that sectorial over vanilla aren't very convincing.

    Case in point, your list right here. Out of what you've listed only McMurrough is unavailable in vanilla, everything else is either the same there or comes with better combos (for example, morans are scarier when you have Interventors).

    Corregidor gains its straightforward links, but vanilla can definitely mimic some of their abilities by combining several separate but individually cheaper troops (kinda like krizas shooting things instead of MB, with a lot of points to spare to cover other bases).
     
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  20. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Simple things like AVA2 Morans and Bandits in both Corregidor and Vanilla. I'd be annoyed if I lost the second Moran in Vanilla, but there's no way Vanilla should have the same AVA of Bandits. Jags are almost as bad, they could easily be AVA2 in Vanilla.
     
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