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Clipsos with Nimbus Plus Grenades

Discussion in 'Spiral Corps' started by Cothel, Apr 3, 2019.

  1. Wombat85

    Wombat85 Well-Known Member

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    If you need sensor in these lists to spot camo you are already in trouble. We have two really solid msv 2, more templates than you can poke a stick at. Remember hacking goes both ways, why open a triad to a risk for little return? A karuuri will wreck camo with 2 nanopulsers at wip 13 for only 12 points, or a kerail with 2 symbiobeast for 28, thats 4 wounds of midfield murdering chaos right there.

    I have played Tohaa for 2.5 years, tried aelis plenty of times and there is always something I wish I had instead. Looking at Spiral its no different, for her points I can find other things that do it better.
     
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  2. DustGod

    DustGod Well-Known Member

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    Just as a Reminder this is the Root idea we speak of... so I highly doubt you can get "Another Unit" to perform the little trick We were actually talking about in the topic.
    Which is Clipsos w/Nimbus+ and combining that with Triangulated Fire... so if you can show me a better way to do that in Spiral Corps I would really really be interested in that....
    @Wombat85.
    Just so that this doesn't get completely derailed and we managed to stay on the topic here it's about Clipsos w/Nimbus Plus and that changed to Nimbus plus and triangulated fire trick
    I agree you can always find something that will do "1" job better. But MSV2 as you had mentioned previously really doesn't help with the Nimbus plus as a matter of fact it works against it.
    I did I mention that my main opponent plays JSA most the time.
    You do realize that this is in the Spiral Corps Forum right...?
    So the two really good MSV2 profiles you speak of are the Tagmaa and Brawler?
    And bringing a sensor to fight TO camo Spam is never a bad idea.. Ever..
     
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  3. Wombat85

    Wombat85 Well-Known Member

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    Actually reading the OP its about nimbus and how to use it, ONE way is to do triangulated fire. A karuuri with double nanopulser will do the same at a fraction of the cost and risk.

    Both of which will be at plus one burst, so yep they are the ones. You have sensor thats cute, I have a rasail boarding team with a flamethrower chaska that useses the nimbus to get close then splat everything, who needs sensor when a heavy flamthrower ends the to camo.
     
  4. DustGod

    DustGod Well-Known Member

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    The Start of this "Debate"
    Man I'm sorry but he doesn't even have sensor he can't do triangulated fire at this point I'm pretty much done listening to you but I'll fully respond to the rest of this.


    Again same thing I do like that Rasail team I will include it in my in my Army from time to time but it doesn't do the same thing as what the topic of the subject . what you're saying doesn't fit with the topic were talking about you talkin about flamethrowers and being up close and all that kind of stuff man...
    yeah they work great through Smoke and Nimbus etc... At Arms reach.
    Which has absolutely nothing to do with:
    Clipsos w/Nimbus+ and then the expanded topic of Triangulated Fire. On that note you're saying you can get other units to do it cheaper and better that's not true it's definitely not true in Spiral... there is no other unit they can do it which is why this is funny to me

    If you wanted strictly talk about getting within Arm's Reach and using template weapons and Nimbus grenades that's one thing...

    But we're talking about here is setting up Nimbus and firing through it with triangulated fire.
    It'll only take a negative 3 and being able to fight through a Nimbus own against Superior Target's giving them the worst end of the modifier...

    Nothing you're talking about has anything to do with the subject at hand in any way shape or form period...

    I get it! there's a great unit there and there's a great unit here and there's an awesome unit over there!

    It's okay man no big deal it's just you've got a point to prove that it's not even on the topic and this really isn't about getting within Arm's Reach this is about optimizing your opponents Negatives While only taking the optimal -3...

    you'll probably just come back in with 5 more units that don't have Sensor that can't fire through Nimbus + talking about MSV2 through Nimbus +etc etc etc
    I'm asking what Hamburger place everybody wants to go to for lunch and you're talking about your favorite pancakes that's what's happening here man neither of which are the topics.

    My part is saying No you can't do the Triangulated Fire with any other unit.
    I was Excited to see the Trick I first heard of with Patsy+Zulu Cobra doable in Spiral Corps.
    So many Templates in Spiral Corps I'm not worried about them...
    Your right Templates don't need LOF and come on so cheap units totally 100% Correct... But they can't Do what brought Aelis into this convo in the first place. That's all I'm saying man.
     
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  5. Wombat85

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    Quoted here for completeness, the OP asked about Nimbus, the triangulated fire trick didn't appear in the thread until post 9. Somehow you decided that the only conversation from that point on would be on triangulated fire and not the OP topic. I am responding to the OP topic of what to do with nimbus, and the best thing to do with nimbus is templates, because they are not affected by it. Everything I have brought up will achieve the exact same results as the triangulated fire trick, such options are known as substitutions, because they represent something that is equivalent but not the same. Not fussed if you are ignoring me, run her, she is garbage, you will see, I am posting to the OP of better ways to use nimbus. The triangulated fire trick is SOOOOOO situational you basically have to throw the game to make it happen, or it will happen once in 100 games, either way bringing a 30 point model that is inferior to basically every other option in the list is foolish, but you do you.
     
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  6. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    Pointing out that the application of Sensor:Triangulated Fire with Nimbus is of limited value due to internal competition for Aelis seems reasonably germane to me.

    And it is a point worth consideration. Mathematically nimbus is almost never worth the order it takes to drop except in the cases of extremely powerful AROs, and we have the Draal to use all of the utility of the nimbus zone in the form of Stratuscloud.
     
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  7. DustGod

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    Actually Above is the very first post you made.

    I was Excited to see the Trick I first heard of with Patsy+Zulu Cobra doable in Spiral Corps.
    So many Templates in Spiral Corps I'm notworried about them...
    You want to know why I'm "So Pumped"
    The above is why... I Already know about Templates and such... I Didn't Know about Aelis
    Also just so we're clear... None of what your talking about can be Done at Range. Arms reach only...

    Didn't know about Aelis... Aelis is the only one that can do that niche lil' trick in Spiral Corps... You know.... From across the table.
    But keep pretending you didn't open up talking:hankey:
     
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  8. DustGod

    DustGod Well-Known Member

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    That's Good Point she's spendy orders are precious :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
    I wouldn't make her a Core part of my game plan. If facing some Armor I might included her
    She has some other Uses as KDH to hunt Hackers and the K1 to hunt armor
    But
    The thought you just gave me I don't think you intended... Aelis K1 + Draal as an Armor Hunting Unit
    She can Do the Same thing Moving around with him if she wanted to couldn't she @meikyoushisui ?
    What's your thought on that?

    @Wombat85 I get your point I do and I would totally push Templates into Enemy models through Smoke or Nimbus.. I understand what your saying dude I do.
    My main Opponent plays JSA and Armored Nomads I don't want to get anywhere near his TO Hidden deployment spam, on the Nomads side he runs lots of Armor and stuff to keep it alive.
    Aelis give me an Option at Range to deal with some of those issues. It if I want to do the Triangulated Fire trick She's my only option. No hard feels man I understand what your saying. I'm hearing you.
     
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  9. Aemaru

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    Ok . nimbus plus grenade has only one profil which is clipso. 24 pts only dedicated to bring nimbus grenade ?

    Imho when you see next to him a 25pts specialiste or a 24 bsg To infiltrator this profil is rubbish.
    Do you have 24 pts to waste ?

    I struggle so much to fit everything needed in my list that this thread sound like firing an intercontinental missile to take care of a hamster
     
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  10. ChoTimberwolf

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    Question does triangulated fire gets its jurst reduced by stratocloud or nimbus plus? I am not sure anymore
     
  11. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    Yep.
     
  12. ChoTimberwolf

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    Whats the reason for that? Can't find the definitive rule? But thats sad thought draal plus hatail would make a fun combo but two shots triangulated is rarely worth it, 3 shots would be more fun.
     
  13. Cothel

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    If you shoot at 3 different targets you won't lose that burst.

    I never claimed that these tactics were the best tactics. I just wanted to let the players who are not familiar with these units what some of their capabilities were. There are some missions that you don't need a button pushing Clipsos. Nimbus Plus is just another option. My original post was to suggest using it with some of the many DTW we have access to. Aelis is a corner case that many Tohaa players will ignore due to their bias against her. New players might not have that bias, or just want to try the unit for themselves.

    I've been playing Tohaa for 4 years now. I like Aelis and use her often. I know the math is against her, but I do think really care about math. I care about having fun with my army and wanting to play it the way I want. I rarely build lists that are min/maxed to death. I like trying what my opponents are not expecting. Because most Tohaa players don't use Aelis, most opponents are not expecting her.
     
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  14. DustGod

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    I like what else she brings to the table as well...
    But I'm definitely in agreeance this isn't like the "I must have this in every Army I ever make"
    Draal, Kriigel, Tagmaa seem to be the Holy Trinity for Sprial...
    Those models are must have.
    Aelis just bring a few extra tricks nobody else has in the entire Faction.
     
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  15. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    Triangulated fire only has specifics about how BS is affected, so the Nimbus rule works as normal (since the most specific rule gives no exceptions for the interaction.) The reason it works so well for the Zulu Cobra is that he has a B4 weapon.
     
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    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    The phrasing of the Triangulated Fire rule doesn't allow split burst. It specifies a "BS attack against a target."
     
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  17. DustGod

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    I'm reading it like that too...
     
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    What do you guys think is the 2 Best Clipsos units for Spiral Corps?
    The unit you'll get the most work out of?
     
  19. Cothel

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    I forgot about that. That's what I get trying to post and watch my two boys at the same time... The 5 year old loves to sap the energy from my brain cells.
     
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  20. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    Number one is clearly the FO profile.
    Number two is the minelayer set-up.
    Honorable mentions: BS and sniper.