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Christmas Time, Missile Launchers and Whine

Discussion in 'News' started by colbrook, Sep 15, 2021.

  1. tdc

    tdc ALEPH Fragment
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    Meh, you might not ask for some common sense release schedule, but I will.

    I would be nice for, say, O12 to have gotten all there units atleast mostly filled before creating starmada. But as you say, apparently not CBs way.

    Not sure what retail chain has to do with anything though...
     
  2. Knauf

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    Domaru are still mostly fine, but could use a new look imo. It's mostly personal preference, but they are a faction defining unit that could use a visual overhaul, similar to what CB did with Father Knights -> Knights of Justice. Their helmets and shoulder pads look akward, their scabbards don't match well with newer sculpts, some carry outdated weapon models etc. It's small things, but they do show.
    Also, a new Neko is desperately needed and would likely set a new standard design-wise, which Domaru would have to follow.

    Everything else form that list is underproportioned and/or equipped with outdated weapon sculpts. Daiyokai are fine functionally, but not having any visible firearms creates a disconnect between the model and the actual use on the table. I'd like to see the current Daiyokai re-released as a blister/booster with an alternative arm pair included, ideally with both Red Fury and MMR, similar to the Mowang.

    Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough with C1 and what does qualifies a unit for inclusion or exclusion, but I could see something like this:

    Operations Box:
    - 3 ABH with Combi/Smg and optional weapon bits to glue to their back/belt
    - 2 new Druze HI
    - 2 Druze MI with new/alternate weapons

    Beyond Box:
    - Arslan
    - Valerya
    - New Armbot

    TAG:
    - Scarface or Anaconda
     
  3. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Neither am I, so don't worry :)

    Current AVA for ABH is 2. So having 3 of them in the C1 pack is kinda... off. Unless it ocmes in with rebalancing the AVA for the N4 sectorial too.
    Does Booty exist in C1 at all (I can't check right now)?

    4 various Druze? That leaves the box without an unit to fulfill the skirmisher / AD role.
    Of the existing (non-Character ones) the sole choice seems to be Kunai Ninja (Hunzakut and Bashi Bazouk are Irregular, and AFAIK this elemnt of Infinity game mechnics is absent from C1, wchich disqualifies them). Unless we introduce an entirely new unit there.
    Druze HI - sorely missed, indeed - would also need to be specially introduced.

    So... nope, it doesn't seem that the C1 box roster would work...

    "New Armbot" - you mean a resculpt of one of the existing ArmBots, or something enitrely new...?
     
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  4. Space Ranger

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    Hey I get that. But this is just horrible marketing. Instead of making one box with all of this they should have made the Action Pack but then done a holiday bundle deal of the Action Pack+Blue Wolf+ect for the same price. Then everyone could have had what they wanted. I only wanted the action pack stuff but someone who cold make the most of the bundle could do that too! Instead they took a risk of creating all new packaging, put product in there, with no idea of it will sell. Again horrible marketing. They are not allowing for the most people to have the ability to buy their product.

    Edit: I should say I don't have their data to support that they don't know if it will sell. But it's putting a lot of time and work to make those huge packs and then they may not sell. or they do sell but then distributors have them in a warehouse for a long time. It's a risk that didn't need to happen.
     
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  5. Mahtamori

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    I was mostly... well... entirely directing my post at Nuada. I understand that this sucks for you, personally, and that is legitimate as it is frustrating to find out you're gonna have to wait longer than expected for the stuff you've been looking forward to because of other deals getting in the way.
    I do think it makes sense to do it this way. It clears a lot of inventory and rotates money, which are two important things for a company. It might not be the perfect way to hand out a deal that's designed to buy customer goodwill, but it's been a bad couple of years so cash flow is all the more important. I don't know about the SKU situation, whether they intend this mega pack to occupy shelf space or not. Factors we are not privy to and all that.
    However, to blow this out of proportions like Nuada did by pretending this is an ongoing trend of intentional maliciousness is just... bad.
     
  6. Abrilete

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    Agree to disagree, I guess.
    From my point of view all JSA's HI's shre a common design languaje while having enought differences to make them unique enough.

    Neko's biggest problem is his size, because you can see that his armour is very similar to the one carried by the Domaru. But hey, he's called "Neko", not "Tora", so I don't really care if he's a little small.
     
  7. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    From a logistical side the big box makes a lot of sense.

    CB's primary sales channel is through it's retailers and distributors, not their own online store. Offering bundles like you suggest would force retailers to make the same bundle out of their own stocks, which means ordering enough of the 9(?) separate products to cover bundle sales, in addition to normal sales of the individual boxes, I don't work in retail any more myself but the logistics of that sounds like you'd be left with either too many of something, or not enough leaving you waiting on backorders at the busiest time of the year while international shipping is still a mess.

    It potentially also sets up a conflict between the CB store and retailers who don't want to deal with the logistics of offering the bundle (in addition to stocking a few dozen other games that also have their own Xmas deals, at the busiest time of the year for sales). By making it a single box a store can simply order a bunch to put on the shelves for Xmas, and when they're gone, they're gone.

    There's also big risk with doing the Action Pack first that newcomers will buy the Action Pack, and then see a big bundle a month or two later and feel cheated. The fairest way would probably be to release the collection box and Action Pack at the same time, but then you're asking retailers to order 4 "big box" SKUs at the same time, during a period where they're already spending a significant amount more on extra stock, staggering then also means you don't have to dedicate as much shelf and warehouse space as you give the big boxes chance to sell before you're putting out the Action Packs.

    Not to say your feelings are invalid, they're certainly not, just to give a little perspective on reasons that could be behind the decisions made with the release schedule.
     
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  8. Mahtamori

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    Neko is not a digital sculpt, and he's kind of overdue for a remake, the similarities you are seeing are the same as could be seen between the old slim-style Domaru and the new accidentally over-sized Domaru.
    I think the big thing speaking against a JSA box is that it's nearly feature complete, is in NA2 so is both less interesting for CodeOne and kinda a backwaters sectorial, and the JSA army box is still an active product choke full of new or contemporary sculpts.
     
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  9. Knauf

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    True, I blanked on that. Make that 2 ABHs and 1 Brawler Engineer then, that one is still missing.
    The infiltrator slot could be filled by a new Druze loadout with FD + (limited) Camo – one that cannot be part of fireteams.

    A resculpt of the current ones. They are in the same boat as the Rui Shi/Lu Duan and releasing both as part of the JSA/DBZ operation line would make sense.
     
  10. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Not a good move with the ArmBots, as they are available to most if not all PanO sectorials as well. I mean, packing it with two Druze-related models (Valeria has her place in some other sectorials, too, Arslan does not - but AFAIK neither is in anything PanO) is kinda nasty.

    Also, Peacemaker comes with a Peripheral: Synchronized Auxbot. Do these exist in C1?
    While the Bulleteers are AVA 2 in most armies that have them, and they are also sold as a box of 2.

    Model-wise, I agree, they aren't stellar (HS N2-era sculpts, and the Bulleteers are the worse here. Peacemaker is acceptable) in terms of assembly... but by far not the worst ones.
     
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  11. Knauf

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    True again, it's not that simple after all. They could fill the Remote pack slot then. Those are not faction specific (outside of C1 branding), but that would leave more gaps in other places. It's wishlisting anyway at this point, so one would probably have to make up some new units for JSA and DBZ along the way.
     
  12. Vocenoctum

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    I can see that for sure, though I think generally Action Packs are released when the next Operation is, so it might be too early for the actual action pack. As you mention, retailers might get stuck with this Army Pack, but Action Packs too soon might mean they get stuck with Operation Kaldstrom's too.
    For CB's side of things, I think they're capable of just reboxing their contents into different boxes as much as melting down old unsold to make new guys, so it's not as much of a loss as it might seem on them.

    My FLGS only has some of the CodeOne TAGS and Operation Coldfront, so probably not representative of anything though...
     
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  13. Errhile

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    Well, at the moment JSA are using YJ-specific Yaokongs, while Druze use Haqq "mini-Maggie" REMs. A good chance for a resculpt and siocast re-release. Would fill the REMs slot.
    Adding more JSA and DBZ units, well, not such a good idea IMO. But doable (and who said the Beyond boxes have to contain a large mini...? It could as well be 6x S2...).

    Sure, it is wishlisting, but honesty - do we have anything better to do here...? ;)
     
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  14. fari

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    Druzes are using PanO remotes... recently updated
     
  15. Knauf

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    They use the Kameel for baggage/EVO bot
     
  16. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Which aren't in C1.
     
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    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    And are not the mini maggies
     
  18. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    You got a point on the 1st part, it's just me who uses Haqq Combat Poultry for my Druze REMs.

    The 2nd part, however, doesn't seem valid - keep in mind we're talking about hypotethicla GenCon 2023 release. CB may as well want to switch PanO remotes to siocast by then.
     
  19. Wizzy

    Wizzy Well-Known Member

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    Well Well people, too much yu jing roleplay here, just i point out the biggest problem for yu jing players... spanish... Caution, don't be mistaken. :scream::laughing:


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  20. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Heck, 2023 is far enough away or could even be something like Tohaa Trinomial Long Range Patrol vs Bureau Noir
     
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