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Changes to Yu Jing you want

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Space Ranger, Aug 3, 2024.

  1. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Something I noticed when making WB or IA lists with Shang Ji. It’s cool that they all have TacAware. However, it also kind of sucks they all have TacAware! Yes, you get more orders out of them but then, you must use those orders on troops that you don’t really want to use on. For example, you have a SJ troop with APHMG+FOx2+Hacker+HRL. Sometimes you are not going to want to use the FO, so you need to think about using it right away for just movement. He’s not the one I want shooting down the board. There’s going to be times where you really don’t want to use those orders because you are where you want to be and doing anything else might actively hurt you. Then it’s a waste of those orders. So, I think, you just need to remember to use those orders correctly to be effective with them. Use the TA orders you don’t think you need later on. There are certainly worse problems than having wasted orders. But I would have liked some of them to be cheaper because they Don't have those orders. Right now I can only see myself using maybe two SJ most of the time.
     
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  2. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Damn. Hate the rules, love the figures.

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  3. iKon

    iKon Not Very Well-Known Member

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    And I haven't even finished painting my proxy Gudan conversions yet. upload_2025-1-14_8-59-6.jpeg upload_2025-1-14_8-59-6.jpeg upload_2025-1-14_8-59-6.jpeg
     
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  4. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Warsenal has the Yin She as Multi-Marksman rifle. I guess the weapon on the size is the EMCarbine

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  5. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    That is the logical solution, first time we see the weapon.
     
  6. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I know they say it's a Multi-Marksman rifle but it will be the K1 as well. You know we will never see another figure. Hell, knowing them it's going to take years to get any other than the one. Instead of "This is the way" it's "This is Yu Jing". "There can only be one"... For a few years. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

    Still waiting on you, Liu Xing Spitfire and/or Multi-rifle. Ye Mao Missile Launcher, Engineer.
     
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  7. Wizzy

    Wizzy Well-Known Member

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    Cerberus Nachrichten Netzwerk has produced a German-language reac on the various Yu Jing factions, which I have fast summarized below.


    CNN Counterintelligence - Folge 04 - N5 Deep Dive für Yu Jing



    The podcast begins with a warm introduction and introduction to Stefan, an experienced Yu Jing player since 2014. Stefan shares his experience and impressions of the changes made to the generalist Yu Jing faction in the new N5 edition of Corvus Belli's Infinity game, as well as his intention to “liberate” the JSA in the coming weeks during a “lightning” trip. The podcast also discusses the sub-factions Imperial Service (ISS), Invincible Army (IA), and White Banner (WB).

    #### General impressions of N5
    Stefan finds that N5 brings a breath of fresh air to the game, with clarified rules and interesting improvements. He mentions that some rules, such as those concerning the super jump, are still a little unclear and need clarification from tournament organizers.

    Yu Jing fireteams are now more flexible and less dependent on duos. For example, Su Jian, previously used in duos with NCO Troopers, can now be used more independently. This makes it possible to build more varied and adaptable lists.

    Examples of fireteams. An example of an effective fireteam is a haris composed of at least one Su Jian and one Blue Wolf. This fireteam benefits from a +1 SD bonus on bursts of 5 AP Spitfire, making the unit very powerful in combat.


    #### Changes in Yu Jing Vanilla
    Stefan notes that mercenaries have been removed from vanilla lists, changing the dynamic of list building. Kuang-shi, once ubiquitous, are no longer so essential, allowing lists to be diversified. Classic duos, such as 1 NCO + 1 Su-jians, will be used less frequently due to changes in fireteam formation rules.


    #### New Auto-Includes
    Gudans are mentioned as an interesting new auto-include. These camouflage markers with weapons like the light shotgun and heavy flamer add a layer of strategic defense. They provide an effective passive defense and can deter opponents from getting too close. Gudans are also useful for their ability to lay mines, adding an extra layer of defense. Sensor Bots are also highlighted for their ability to deploy mines and disrupt opponents' plans.


    #### Imperial Service (ISS)
    **Changes and improvements:**
    - New Profiles:** ISS has benefited from some interesting new profiles, particularly for models like Adil, an Imperial agent with a Spitfire AP and numerous skills. Adil is particularly notable for his ability to form fireteams with Bounty Hunters, adding tactical flexibility.
    - List strategies:** Stefan mentions that ISS lists can now include powerful duos like Bixié and Su-yong, offering a good combination of mobility and firepower. Fireteams in forward deployment, such as the Hulangs, are also discussed for their defensive potential.
    - Although ISS has always had interesting models, the new profiles and adjustments make the sub-faction more competitive and flexible. Stefan is optimistic about the future of ISS, especially with Corvus Belli's video teasers announcing further updates.


    #### Invincible Army (IA)
    **Changes and improvements:**
    - New Profiles:** IA has seen significant improvements in its profiles, notably with the addition of immunity arm and other defensive skills. Models such as Gudan and Daoying are discussed for their tactical potential.
    - List strategies:** Stefan points out that AI lists can now include powerful fireteams with models like Gudan and Mowang. Forward deployment capabilities and new skills like the Deactivator and Disco Baller make these models very versatile.
    - While IA has always been a solid sub-faction, the new tweaks and profiles make the lists more flexible and competitive. Stefan mentions that AI lists can now include powerful specialists and support models, adding an extra layer of strategy.


    #### White Banner (WB)
    **Changes and improvements:**
    - New Profiles:** WB has also benefited from interesting new profiles, especially for models such as Gudans and Libertos. Gudans, with their camouflage capabilities and powerful weapons, are particularly highlighted.
    - List strategies:** Stefan discusses WB lists, which can now include models like Gudans for their defensive capability and Libertos for their versatility. Forward deployment fireteams and minelaying capabilities add an extra layer of strategy.
    - WB is now more flexible and competitive thanks to the new profiles and adjustments. Stefan mentions that WB lists can now include powerful specialists and support models, making sub-faction more viable in various mission scenarios.


    #### Hacking
    The podcast also discusses hacking-related changes and strategies in the Yu Jing faction, particularly in the context of the new Infinity N5 edition. Discussions focus on new hacker abilities, desactivators, sensors,...


    #### Strategies and lists
    Stefan shares a list he built for a “Supplies” mission. The list includes models such as the Dafang with AP Spitfire, the Gudans for defense, and the Janhuo for its ability to eliminate opposing pieces. The list is designed to be resilient and flexible, with a good combination of specialists and firepower.

    CNN Supplies
    ──────────────────────────────────────────────────

    GROUP 1 7 / 3 / 2
    DÀOFĚI (Lieutenant, Specialist Operative) AP Spitfire, D-Charges / Kobra Pistol(PS=6), CC Weapon. (1.5 | 52)
    LÉI GŌNG FTO (Chain of Command) AP Submachine Gun, E/Mitter, Zapper / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 34)
    ZHĒNCHÁ (Minelayer ) Submachine Gun, Panzerfaust, Shock Mine / Silenced Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 32)
    LÓNG YÁ (Minelayer) Panzerfaust(+1B), Flammenspeer(+1B), Submachine Gun, AP Mine / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 17)
    GŪDǍN (Camouflage [1 Use], Forward Deployment [+4"]) Light Shotgun, Heavy Flamethrower, Shock Mine / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 13)
    GŪDǍN (Camouflage [1 Use], Forward Deployment [+4"]) Submachine Gun, Zapper, Shock Mine / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Shock Mine / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | [​IMG]
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon(PS=5). (0 | 6)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon(PS=5). (0 | 6)
    RUI SHI (Multispectral Visor L1) Red Fury, Mine Dispenser(Shock) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 21)

    GROUP 25
    YĀN HUǑ Hyper-Rapid Magnetic Cannon / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 47)
    MECH-ENGINEER Combi Rifle, Armed Turret (Combi R.) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 17)
    Zhanshi YĪSHĒNG Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    PANGGULING (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 14)
    CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

    https://infinitytheuniverse.com/arm...ABQCAgAECAACAigEDAACAiQEBAACAogECAACAjgEBAA==


    #### Conclusion
    Stefan concludes by expressing his enthusiasm for the new possibilities offered by N5 and his eagerness to test his lists in tournaments and friendly games. He thanks the audience and promises to return in March to discuss the changes to Invincible Army.
     
  8. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Well he's wrong about the Blue wolf and Su Jiang. No team in vanilla counts other troops for purity unless they are the same troop. They are not bad together but they don't get a bonus.

    He also talks about ISS but Bixie and Sulyong are REF troops and they can't duo. At least one Hwarang is need to make a team.
     
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  9. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Protector of the Search for Knowledge

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    IA did pretty well at CanCon with 2nd and 3rd place. Gudan for midfield defense, the improved Hacking profiles (Zhencha, Haidao, Liu Xing, Hac Tao, etc.) , and Immunity(ARM) Yan Hao seemed to really help.

    The lists can be seen in the @Wizzy Thread:

     
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  10. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Congratulations to IA! That's great!
     
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  11. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    It's made me think a little better about Gudan. At least for IA.
     
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