CC Attack (-6)

That's because it's running on the core assumptions of the rules: Attacks have a Target and apply their effects to that target.

This honestly isn't universally mentioned in the specific rules for every attack.

 

That's the open question and needs the FAQ.

I don't know, as I said above: but everyone got distracted by the "to whom does the penalty get applied" question.

I tend to think that it applies irrespective of what the target does.

 

This note (in Skills) does kinda suggest that the penalty only affects actions against the user of the skill:

"NOTE

MODs imposed by Skills, Special Skills, or pieces of Equipment may be applied to their users, or to those enemy Troopers acting against them, in several different ways."

But the context of it is explaining how to read MODs - and the only negative MODs describe are Mimmetism and ECM both of which are only applied to attacks against the user - so I'm not sure it's intended to be read that way.

I think "it applies to the target of the attack irrespective of what they do" is clearer for CC Attack (-x) and CCW (-x) skills/weapons.

 

Think of it this way
Trinity (-3) is a modifier for your opponent when YOU declare that hacking program. Ergo, cc attack (-6) is a modifier for your opponent when YOU declare cc attack

 

I feel bad for the FAQ team to be honest.

There’s a plethora of rule questions that are easily answered, yet they always conclude “this needs a FAQ”, despite the fact that it actually doesn’t and everyone will continue to play this rule exactly as normal.

IDK man...

 

Wait hang on, I’m not sure what’s unclear. The -6 is applied if the thing you are cc’ing does something which requires a f2f or if they use berserk.
It wouldn’t apply if they shot at something else or did anything which wouldn’t affect you in the same way as martial arts -3 is applied.

Right? Or am I missing something? ‍♂️

 

I got a little confused for a moment re: martial arts, but I see you're just talking about the negative mod. If I actually look at the rule, it's clear that you can always use the positive mod (such as when combining with berserk), but you only apply the negative mod in a FtF roll (unlike surprise attack).

 

Why do you think that it's clear that the negative MOD only applies to FTFs?

 

That's specific to MA MODs.

 

Well derp, that's what I get for reading quickly while I'm supposed to be working.

 

Thanks to all that have contributed so far - seems like it's unclear whether negative CC mods apply in Normal rolls, unless it's been cleared up somewhere and I'm unaware? If so, could someone help me out with a link, please?

 

The MOD rule for skills like CC Attack (-6) is the general one.
https://infinitythewiki.com/Skills_and_Equipment_in_Infinity


When the model uses the skill CC Attack, he impose the MOD -6 to the enemy. As per FAQs, it is applied only to the target of the CC Attack (if multiple opponents are involved). Not having any restriction, it should be applied to any roll.

 

It's discussed in more detail here Do negative MODs from Skills only apply to f2f rolls? | Corvus Belli Community Forum , and is on the Unanswered Questions list for the reasons explored in that thread.