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CBL - what is hidden information worth?

Discussion in 'Access Guide to the Human Sphere' started by Mahtamori, May 18, 2018.

  1. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Hmm, releasing CBLs for specific forces would be an interesting take, a bit beside the topic, but those micro-factions that otherwise doesn't get a release could be released as CBLs. I'm talking about stuff that has potential sectorial but that's either too far away or where the main faction is way too saturated, such as a Korean Defense Force.

    Of note on the topic is that it can be argued that sectorials are fluff lists and that reducing the number of available options in sectorials CB also compensated by giving the pretty awesome fireteam bonuses, as well as extended AVAs. For the Uprising campaign I noted that Yu Jing's Manifest Destiny bonus is completely unusable by YuanDun, but still YuanDun are forced to use that specific bonus. Further, I noted that perhaps Strategos 1, 2 or 3 might've been a better bonus. We could recycle this here; before a CBL is released with Strategos LT, simply granting CBLs Strategos 3 could be a way of making a "CBL universal fireteam" style bonus. This would also play nicely with the fact that all CBLs so far have been in Limited Insertion format and my own experience is that Strategos in 10-model lists is brutal.
     
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  2. HellLois

    HellLois What the Hell...Lois?
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    Im completely agree. You get some non-standard links, non-standard profiles, reduce the SWC cost or strange incorporations on the army list (like Saito on PanO, os 5 man link with a Hsien. WTF!!!?? XD). And what is the cost? simply, your list is completely a common knowledge and maybe the have some weak points. But thats the deal. If you dont want to accept the deal, you can create and use a regular list ;)



    The list are tested by all the testing team ;) We only point some "musts" (for example on Blizzard, there have to be a Jotum or Nisses) and the we create a the list, the tester play with that and try to make that list in an hypercompetitive list, but remember its a CBL, is another way to play. If the lists was "perfect, hypercompetitive and always win with that list", we all be playing with this list, and where's the fun goes?
    Thats the beauty of Infinity. There are not "THE LIST"
     
  3. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    I would have less gripe with that if the SWC costs were consistent on the lists. Having the same unit discounted 0.5SWC in one list, then not in another, happening to two units without need to (there was possible to just discount one in all lists, if I remember right) is kinda jarring. Not because of the discount, not even because it was not said anywhere that the list "legally" should have 6.5SWC but is listed as 5.5, but because it looks like there was no effort involved into making things consistent with themselves. Which was totally possible without changing the list.

    You ran a risk there with the Baggage Bot with a gun. We all want those now.

    Alpha team or Beta team? I'd like to assume both, but the Blizzard compositions were a little bizarre.
    Incidentally, there was a promise for more CBL lists. I just hope they will show what is to come, instead of a slight variation on what already is.
    And for all that's sacred, please do not include fluff in them. The way things went with Uprising and what came later, your "creative team" has proven to be more eager to go for cheap shock value than any kind of sensibility. Those things are hard to forgive, but never get forgotten.
     
  4. HellLois

    HellLois What the Hell...Lois?
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    Watch outl!!! He got a gun!!!!

    Alpha and Beta team, here all the teams test all the things ;)
    I know that Blizzard is a little bit strange, but is the first, I think we improve with Yuandun. And yes we sais that there will be more CBL, and for now, thats was true, you get the Yuandun CBL :D We cant give you CBL every week XD
     
  5. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Oh, I totally agree that the best part of Infinity is that there is no 'one list to rule them all'. I was one of the guys with an "It's not your List, it's You" banner in his signature!

    But some of the design choices seem odd, like lack of an engineer in a list that's heavy on HI and has a TAG (do you not regularly face Ariadna or Nomads for EM and/or Glue shenanigans?). I think a "Designer's Notes" section talking about why some models were taken, or not taken, would be a good addition to the next batch of CBLs.
     
  6. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    I have no doubt that a CBL is balanced and fun to play against the first time around, but once the novelty has worn off and once it's been picked apart,it feels like any advantage gained from the custom links and unorthodox unit presence is lost by locking you to selecting exactly two CBLs.

    It's specifically the "bring two and only two CBLs to tournament" limitation that chafes.
     
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  7. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Just to elaborate: if I could take a CBL as one of my two lists and keep the second list custom, I could do like I do with normal tournament lists: I can take one special case list and one that's more universal.

    The nature of the two CBL sets so far is that they both contain lists around a similar theme. The winter one is "Bring a Jotum Friend" while the YuanDun is "Be aggressive".
    However, for a tournament which contains for example Firefight, I will want at least one list to contain at least one TR REM and much fewer specialists or CoC, meaning that if I take CBL for a tournament containing Firefight (or Decapitation or Power Pack or a few others that break from the norm with regards to enemy attack vectors or defensive deployment) I'll be fighting at a significant advantage.

    It is my opinion that, on the assumption that the CBLs are meant to be competitive, the disadvantage they bring to a tournament is not compensated for in the lists themselves.
    I hope I'm not alone in this, which is why I made this thread.

    On the plus side, making lists can be a huge time sink when life pushes a lot of stuff your way and YuanDun is getting close to a point where they are good standins for custom lists.
    Huge props to whoever is responsible YuanDun List D, that list is hilarious with a massive advantage in the Hsien 5-man link offseet by a massive disadvantage in that it is fairly poor reactively. This is a hilarious all-in kind of deal.
    The other lists all miss a certain something in execution, however. It's like that CG Sniper who really should've been a hacker to allow the rest of the list to be more aggressive.
     
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  8. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Well, since these lists cannot be tweaked, they don't need flexible limiting mechanism like costs at all. CB could've offer you a list with no costs shown at all, say "this is supposed to be played in a standard 300 pts format" and be done with it. And nothing changes for us.
     
  9. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    *sigh*

    I mean why have two troops with exactly the same profile that cost diffent SWC in two of the lists, if you can achieve the same think with one of them using the discounted SWC cost in all of its appearances?
     
  10. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Possibly because they decided it doesn't matter in the end and just thrown those numbers in there to make list appear to be under 300/6 vOv
     
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