I don’t personally like people who are so upset over their purchase being invalidated that they don’t care about CB or the quality of the game. I lost a faction with this but if it means the overall game is healthier than i am okay with it. I’m sad. I spent a lot of time collecting those minis. But it’s not just about me as an individual. But if CB were to go bankrupt cause they’re not making money then all of the minis would be retired. I will say that I feel bad for Varuna players cause that faction is new enough that I never saw it getting chopped. And I think anyone who lost multiple sectorials is understandably upset. I imagine that frustration is exponential per sectorial. I’m sorry for your loss.
No, CB area selling a GAME. Infinity is not a strong enough IP to survive selling miniatures without the game. And a game with discouraged players is never good for sales.
CB is selling two lines of miniatures, board games (soon to be three), books, IP rights for TV show and a computer game... We do not know which of these brings what profits. And some products have importance other than the pure profit they bring (see "loss leaders"). It is much better to consider what is the best approach to CB's N5 changes from our own, customer, point of view, rather than think what exactly are CB's best interests. They made their decision, it is our turn now, and that's it.
It's because we are concerned about the quality of the game that we're so vocal. I almost certainly couldn't get any new players from my 40K community into Infinity now; constantly dropping units and armies from support is probably GW's most reviled policy and very few people from that bunch enjoy complex tactical gameplay enough to consider switching to a different game that can be just as bad about rules support.
Well, the fact the rules and profiles are available for free doesn't really help proving your point... CB is SELLING you miniatures, period. And they are OFFERING you rules to play with. You paid for the miniatures, you still have the miniatures. And because CB allows you to proxy anything, you can still play with them. @fari The amount of bad faith in your entire message is off the charts, as often, you're becoming quite good at this... :) Ok, let's lose some time proving wrong every single of your points! I don't think you understand the concept of "educated guess". We do have data and knowledge. There is more to data than just sales numbers. Closing your eyes and ears to this is not going to change the fact that every indicator points to a quite healthy and successful company. TAG Raid collected 420.000 euros for a goal of 100.000, how is that a failure? Maybe you should have done a slightly less quick search. And I see tons of people playing with TAG Raid minis, me included. Slow down on the false generalisations. A bit better than a game which reached more than 4 times the expected goal? That doesn't sound so bad... :D I know people playing these boardgames. Stop the false generalisations. Exactly, you don't know. Shhhhh then :) Sure, because you know every single people on Earth. Again, abusive generalisations. You don't know. Shhhhh Universally disliked? You don't know. Shhhh. Every judgment about the design, the lore, the system and the rest is just your opinion, not a fact. What's a fact is that CB collected 435.000 euros from the Warcrow KS, indicating that a lot of people love the designs, the lore, the material or the system. Of course, it's just sheer luck... You really are a piece of work! :D And I'm not sure you understand how IP works, CB already received money for this project. Was happy? Past tense? You don't know that. Shhhh. Future will tell. And I bet my ass that CB will still be just fine in a year. And the year after. Mark my words. The minis are great, the game is great (and N5 seems to be even better), I see absolutely no reason for Infinity to crumble. We already heard Nostradamuses like you at the time of the Uprising. Guess what happened? Nothing. CB are making some rough choices (that they could have communicate much better about, for sure, or handled differently) but this is for the good of the company and the game, thus also for the benefit of most players, present and future. It's funny as you talk about CB as if they were some Apple or Amazon kind of company. Oh, and you precisely don't need to "have the latest thing if you want to win", because guess what, they allow you to proxy everything and you can then play "the new thing" without spending a single cent. How is that greedy?
No wonder you don't know how language works if you are treating a metaphor like a literal fact. The fact remains the sectorials are gone and not coming back until/unless CB feels like it and there are no plans to. Edit: that "but it doesn't matter if the company fucks the customer over because if they didn't we would maybe don't have the company to keep buying stuff from so we have to just take it" is the most absurd late stage capitalism mantra ever, but it seems it's worming its way into a lot of customer's mindsets these last years Edit2: I get CB absolutely had to trim stuff because it was becoming very bloated, but didn't they cause that bloat themselves with all the mercenary/aristeia/kickstarter/LE profiles they kept adding that made no sense except exploiting FOMO? Why remove classic profiles but add all of the reinforcement boxes? Why remove sectorials to release the 2.0 version with a different name and minis?
So, an ad personam in addition to a false equivalency - and then claiming said false equivalency was "just a metaphor", which makes it moving the goalposts as well. I do have people and things I'm willing to spend my time on - you aren't worth it. Three strikes and out. Farewell, sir.
Just wanted to step in to give my small opinion about Warcrow and the “universal disliked” notion that @fari is mentioning: It is not universally disliked, it is locally disliked by a extremely vocal and polarised specific Spanish community The same specific Spanish community who doesn’t like Corvus Belli to do anything or develop anything else that is not Infinity. And even when it comes to Infinity, they want it to be done “in their likeness and ways”. But you know what? The Warcrow Game is FREAKING GREAT. And it has been welcomed. I have more people in my local city playing Warcrow actively than Infinity. The models design are awesome. And they’re picking the interest of the very much active Warhammer Fantasy and Mordheim community in my city. The siocast material is much maligned in the online discussion but no one in my community has got absolutely no problems with it. And what is more important, the conversion rate of people testing the game here in my city and people actually going into the game either now or when “the elves/dwarves/feudum/scions” are out is of the 95% success rate. This mean the people here locally who are giving a try to the game are having FUN and they find the game awesome in general once they play it. So stop the specific local community herd mentality hate. Go and try it by yourself by the hands of someone who is going to demo it with actually passion to the game. You will be surprised
And that same pattern repeats again and again on these forums, for basically anything CB says or does.
Warcrow is played by literally zero people here. And in general CB should not aim to sell Warcrow to Infinity players, that is a big fail if we are their target audience ( and I believe we are not ). Because people have a finite amount of money for hobby purposes, if I am already buying Infinity, they are not getting any or very little extra money if I collect Warcrow as well. 435k is not very good for a KS they want to evolve into a fully fledged game system. And no game system can survive on 2.9k players globally. Time will tell, personally I think Warcrow was a big mistake and a failed investment, but also understandable risk as they probably wanted to diversify their portfolio, they just played it too safe and made a generic game for saturated market. Let's hope it doesn't sink the company. IMO Aristeia is their best product after Infinity and they probably should've launched that one as a KS. Maybe v2.0 will be a KS, I would gladly back that one.
Including you I presume. Have you tried to play a game of it? Every single 'hobby' community I know if composed of members who play more than one game. In my local community people actively spend money on WH40k, WHTOW, KT, FOW, LI, Infinity, plenty of historical games... and so on. Also including several 3d printing miniatures for playing oddities such as American Dracula, Trench Crusader, or several One Page Rules. The plastic/metal addiction is strong on hobby players. It is extremely rare to know persons who only 'play one game' or can only scarcely afford one. I myself have a 'pile of shame' of more or less a thousand or more miniatures, from several games and branches. Some of then from decades ago, such as Warmachine MK1 or Confrontation... or 4th edition Warhammer Fantasy. So yes, the hobby player DO spend a lot of money, and spend it on more than one game. Funny enough, what I think it is that they make a quite a innovative game that 'solves' or try to innove in quite a lot of the sheannigans that miniature games have. Again, have you try to play a game?
To make a really convoluted and overcomplicated discussion a bit simpler, the video says these sectorials are been removed, if and when we decide to bring them back, we will. As far as I could understand from Bostrias interview when he mentioned the N4 PDF, I gathered that it would be a Legacy PDF of all armies in their N4 status for people that wanted that. That is my personal understanding of the interview, I have not asked about it.
What absolute nonsense is this? CB didn't turn into a mustache twirling villan overnight becuse they've made a decision you personally don't agree with. To use an Irish saying, catch yourself on.
you can step in reddit or 4chan (last one not recommended) and no one is excited with Warcrow. Yeah, only the spanish community is disliking CB. We are evil. We dont want our home company to success. We are GW slaves. Yeah yeah
Aaah reddit and 4chan. Defenetly the sources to search for objektive, useful and polite discussions and opinions
Echo chambers tend to do that, amplify the signal which may or may not be reflecting the real life situation.
Also, when i entered the game in N2, people was already starving for Fantasy Infinity game made by CB. "Fantasy with Infinity rules will be cool". "Fantasy with sculpted figures from CB would be awesome, their metal quality is the best". So yeah, Infinity players dont want CB to do other things than Infinity. You have something that works and everyone is happy with that, and then proceed to fucked up. No wonder why there is so much hate with Warcrow. Who knows. 20 to 1 posts about Warcrow is mehhh at best vs Warcrow is a great game and everyone should try
Very much agree here. Mostly due to the extreme loss of my local player group. I’m personally looking forward to N5. I’m salty as hell about what’s been removed (known and speculated) but on the speculation front I’m adopting my usual wait and see on this issue. My gaming group are not. As I’ve mentioned elsewhere we have had players declare they no longer wished to play Infinity due to the coming changes and losses. That list has now become the entire player group. We’ve gone from 9 to well… me. I’m hoping that I can get some to come back but as @SpectralOwl noted above; getting new players, especially from any GW gaming group may be a Herculean task. It’s quite an upsetting trend to see. Whilst I am willing to wait and see what unfolds in the weeks ahead, my player group are currently gone from the game. It is indeed why we should be vocal and discuss these things in good faith, realising that we aren’t all going to agree. Given @Errhile response to your post (a response that was correct in its deconstruction of your reply above) I have to wonder if you can engage anyone on this forum in good faith and discuss things. Currently it appears you’re actively trying to make members unwilling to talk to you. It’s fascinating from an anthropological perspective.
