CB, does the Volkolak profile REALLY need a hate symbol on its patch?

You know you're a WarCor and not an actual employee of CB right?

Also, OP didn't make the connection between the metal band. Someone else pointed out that Interruptor likes metal and then specifically called out Volkolak as being a Russian metal band. I'm the one who found the initial bits about the band being tied to white supremacists/neonazis and had wanted clarification on that being the band in question.

As to them being "knowing what?" for the future? That the icon(which is what the initial OP was about) could be problematic. It's the same damn thing with Norse runes and the like.

People have to be willing to acknowledge that things have meanings and groups do attempt to coopt symbols for other uses. We don't necessarily have to give those things up, but damnit at least be as smart as you lot claim you are and do a cursory look into things.

 

And option 2 is an inappropriate reaction, and why this thread has been full of sound and fury from the start.

 

You know what else is an inappropriate reaction?

Telling people what they can or can't be concerned by.

 

I don't understand what you meant by this ?
He later transformed that connection you found into Gutier potentially being secret white supremacist or some stupid crap like that, based on your info and the fact someone said he likes heavy metal. I mean, talking about far fetched :-D

 

Look, I don't like Nuada. I've got them on ignore.

But that's not what they posted. They said that worst case scenario in response to the question of "is the well poisoned?" is that bit and best case is that Gutier likes metal and doesn't know of the band or whatever and just used the name for 'Werewolf'.

There's a big difference between what you're claiming they said and what was actually said.

 

Volkolak is werewolf in Russian, yes. Something OP should know given wilkołak is Polish version, basically same word and slavic mythos is generally similiar.
I would like to point out again that band isn't white supremacist, I spent some time on it and nothing indicates this even remotely.

 

I dunno, me being a stupid Slav with English as his secondary language, I kinda understood this post ( emphasis mine ) as an accusation towards Gutier.
In reality we can't really know if Gutier is aware of the band, but it seems we could say the same about OP awareness of the meaning of the word Volkolak, connection to dog faces, and slavic runes. Which I find impossible, since he claimed to be Polish, he should be aware of these things as these are part of his heritage. And if he is aware of these, well that says everything we need to know about him ( or them as kanluwen addresses this person, don't know why maybe it's one of those preferred pronouns situations ).

 

I say "them" because I don't know if Nuada is male or female.

And it's fine if that's the way you read it, but that doesn't mean that is what is actually being presented.

 

Honestly Nuada is correct, alt-right symbology has infected infinity the game for too long, and it is incredibly prevalent in Ariadnan units especially. I am quite disappointed in Nuada however for promoting hateful symbology with his own profile picture. This almost leads me to believe Nuada is false flagging to try and demonize our movement against fascism in the eyes of the community. Nuada you have to change your profile as it is offensive. Also not to let Corvus Belle off the hook here, they must change the unit profile image for Loup-Garou, so we don't drive away new people from the game.

 

Just because you have been in the community for one year longer than me doesn't mean you can ignore my point out of hand. Stop trying to deflect like everyone else in this thread. This just confirms to me you are concern trolling and not serious about addressing the alt-right undercurrent in infinity.

Also i'm not the guy with SS bolts in my profile picture.

 

Hahaha nice spot

 

That was my point, they're different kind of fiction and hence have different impact. But I wouldn't dismiss the influence entertainment has over the general public. Though it's limited by the general lack of awareness when general population is concerned. People root for Katniss, and then support Capitol. Or cheer for Shrek, and then vote for Farquad.

Not really. Desperados are an analog of various biker, frontiersmen, or survivalist groups, which are a strong motive in US culture. Their use of CSA battle flag is tied to its modern reappearance - which happened during the Civil Rights Movement era, by local states' politicians opposed to enforced de-segregation. That's the reason it meets with an outcry.

It's my opinion, not a command for CB to drop their triskele and freeze ;)

Don't feed the troll, just report and move on ;)

 

@Nuada Airgetlam, @kanluwen, I literally have both of you blocked but in this case I actually agree with a lot of your points and I wish folks would give your concerns a bit more consideration rather than just getting defensive about 'cancel culture' or what have you. Personally, I'd be fine with the symbol staying since I think it is far enough from the actual alt-right symbols you mentioned but it's not an unreasonable conversation to have. I'm not Muslim but my paternal family is and it was great when the Haqq symbol was finally changed. It was a little thing but it was nice. Y'all, changing symbols to make the game more welcoming to folks isn't automatically oppressive censorship.

More so, it is odd to see folks acting like gaming of all sorts doesn't have a good number of reactionary players who can also make things unwelcoming. Learned that lesson back on the old forum when there was a thread on players yelling allahu akbar, ululating, and such during matches. Or that old off-topic Black Pete thread. Those are some yikes memories. Your own FLGSs might be great but not everywhere is necessarily the same. So if there are steps, even minor ones, the game can take to open up wargaming to more folks then it's prob worth talking about.

 

Fair enough, we're on the same page then.

My point was that they are analogous because of the medium. Infinity is analogous to a compter strategy game. Whatever evil concepts people may associate with Desperados and the confederate flag on their bike does not translate into the real world. The inclusion of the unit and its design are not statements about reality, politics and/or history. If anything, it's parody.

But why would you want them to avoid this particular topic in the first place? Why is it "bad" to use uncomfortable yet irrefutably real perspectives and dynamics in a setting that is an extrapolation of our world?

 

Real quicklike:
Hardcases are the analogue of frontiersmen/survivalist groups.
Desperadoes are flatout "the South'll Rise Again!" style of folks from CB's lore, unless the RPG has gone more in-depth.

Something to remember is that there wasn't a real reckoning with what happened during the Civil War. There still hasn't been if we're going to be honest. It's why these statues keep coming down here in the US, and it's why people thought it was a-okay for there to be "Sons" and "Daughters" of the Confederacy organizations.

 

Imagine thinking the one of the left isn't a hate symbol aswell. Stop listening to these guys they are just alt-right trolls trying to poison the well of conversation in our community and harming our ability to address fascistic symbolism in our game.