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Can CSUs run Duo in NCA army?

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Chade, Sep 25, 2018.

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  1. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    Nevermind. It will only serve to inflame further.
     
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  2. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Good luck muchacho.
     
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  3. Zewrath

    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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    Honestly, I think what happened was that since they introduced CSU duo with NA2 Starco (and not ISS, as some one claims), they introduced the new specialist profiles. They wanted to give the new profiles to ISS and NCA as well so instead of correcting the existing data on the armies, they instead copied the entire troop statline and the all the profiles along with them.
     
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  4. derbrizon

    derbrizon Well-Known Member

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    Duo appeared at the same time ISS got CSU, iirc. Ditto for nca. Edit: maybe it was na2? Now there's CSU duo very far down the road for OSS. CB has some internal pipeline/bugfix/communication thing going on that makes em slow to respond. Infinity is big. Who knows how many steps of (mis) communication resulted in this. For all we know, the duo additional was an error/added too soon by an out-of-touch programmer who misinterpreted intentions amidst OSS development talks. Or something else. Regardless: it's not op, it's fun as hell, and people have been playing it a lot... Why not keep it?
     
  5. Hansolo

    Hansolo Well-Known Member

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    Also, for Ikari, Wu Mings have "Fireteam: Core" in Army (as a skill), but cannot form normal Fireteam: Core (because it's not listed in table).

    For the love of God, get this stuff together. If unit cannot form a specific fireteam in specific sectorial - remove the skill for that sectorial's entry. Most players I know use Army VI and don't bother with wiki or pdf tables* (and, as a result, field illegal fireteams).

    *And I don't blame them. Everything should be in one place, perfectly clear.
     
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  6. Alkasyn

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    This. I fully expect and support people to Duo units that have Fireteam:Duo in their profile entry in Army.
     
  7. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    This one is intentional and confirmed as such multiple times.
     
  8. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    While I can understand the complains, you really need to work on the format of submitting such complains.
     
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  9. Niebieskooki

    Niebieskooki Blue Sun Lieutenant

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    Multiple times? By sources other than ijw and pdf? Because only confirmation I have seen so far is ijw saying that if it's not in the PDF it doesn't exist. Which is fine on its own and there's good chance that this is how it should be but as we see with CSU there seem to be some disconnection between CB intentions and what's in the PDF. Multiple confirmations is exactly what we lack not what we had.
     
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  10. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    It's funny, because "Fireteam: Core" has disappeared from Wu Ming in ISS and they can form a normal core.
     
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  11. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Also, there is no such skill as Fireteam: Core.

    I've been advocating for a revamp of how Army displays Fireteam options for a while. Something like a box showing available Fireteam types that will then list Core/Haris/Duo/Special, clicking on it would take you to the list of Fireteams wiki page.

    For example, Wu Ming in Ikari would show "Haris, Special" with a click through to this link:
    http://infinitythewiki.com/en/List_of_Fireteams#Ikari_Company
     
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  13. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Unless the CSU Duo was supposed to be a special sauce for StarCo, which is when the new profiles were introduced.

    Having the skill doesn't let you form the team, this goes all the way back to HSN3 with the Umbra Samaritan in Onyx.
     
  14. daboarder

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    I fail to see the relevance of the samaritan, it has haris for the xeodrons
     
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    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    But you can't have a Haris of 3 Samaritans, even though you can take 3 of them, and they all have Haris.
     
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    This is sort of off topic, but it always seemed to me that the Fireteam: Duo skill should be usable in Vanilla.

    I mean, who runs Teampro on an EVO?

    Spending an Order to create the opportunity for Order efficiency? It’s weird.
     
  17. xammy

    xammy Keeper of Random Facts and Strong Opinions

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    I have a question: Is the CSU even a valid profile in ISS using the logic that the PDF/wiki is the more valid source compared to Army? It's not even listed in the unit profiles list on the official PDF. @ijw
     
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  18. Titus

    Titus Varuna Beach Commando

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    What the... So we can't trust Army app and we have to double check fireteams in a PDF?

    Well, I've been running this duo, and everyone in my community follows fireteams as shown in army app. So I'm really going to continue doing this until some referee rules otherwise (which is really unlikely to happen).
     
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  19. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    honestly.... this is kind of what I would do and go by. if someone handed me a courtesy and they had a CSU duo and that little green check mark is there. Good to go by me.
     
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  20. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    The PDF is replicated on the wiki page
    http://infinitythewiki.com/en/List_of_Fireteams

    But this is more reason that they need to look at how Fireteams are presented in Army.
     
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