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Caledorian startup force. critique!

Discussion in 'Ariadna' started by Zayneth, Mar 20, 2018.

  1. Zayneth

    Zayneth New Member

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    So this was thought up with a copy of the old Caledorian starter box as well as the new Caledorian starter box as a base. the SAS models are the primary reason Caledorian Sectorial appeals to me and will be swapping Uxia models depending on need. uses the Wallace wulver haris as a mobile murder squad advancing behind smoke. the volunteer squad seems fairly standard to me though a lot of people don't rate the rifles as worth much more than orders (are medikits specialists like covert action uxia?). they setup support aro firelanes and hide behind smoke using the grey. SAS do SAS stuff.

    http://army.infinitythegame.com/ind...ZyTvoC+mA6LvLAclFSsQrAakkxcWnmyVmR0Snx+kFBQA=

    (not sure how everyone links their army builds all pretty style -_-)
     
  2. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    ... It's Caledonian
     
  3. cazboab

    cazboab Member (phrasing)

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    Paramedics are indeed specialists, but if you need specialists, 3 is almost never enough, and if you drop one of them to a regular rifle you'll have enough points to drop a warcor (who's regular thanks to Wallace) into group 1. Use the grey and 4 volunteers as a fireteam and the HMG will be a death hose. You can also drop all your volunteers to chain rifles, but at that point you start to question your sanity, or at least start wondering if you should be using 45th highlanders instead...
     
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  4. mightymuffin

    mightymuffin Well-Known Member

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    This is purely my opinion, but I'd suggest;
    • You need more long-range guns, as one HMG doesn't seem enough to me. For example throw in 1+ Caterans, (who're still regular thanks to Wallace).
    • I try not to put Wallace in a Fireteam, as it loses out on his 'free' Co-ordinated Order per turn from his Lt Order.
    • He doesn't tend to like the Wulver Haris either, as it's an aggressive Fireteam, but you can't afford for Wallace to die; plus, he stops them from being stealthy!
    • As cazboab says, 3 specialists aren't enough, as Caledonia's tend to be fragile; try dropping the 2 SAS BSGs down to Forward Observers, and you'll also have enough points left for that Warcor. You can also put them on suppression fire for even more defence.
    I appreciate that you're trying to use the starter sets as-is, but they tend to be fairly limiting so you may want to try some of them as proxies.
     
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  5. prefAct

    prefAct Active Member

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    Pretty style: Screen Shot 03-20-18 at 02.12 PM.PNG
     
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  6. Captain927

    Captain927 Shotguns and Scotch Runs.

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    Im still building my army, but I currently have over 300 points of CHA to work with. Its still missing some pieces, but this is what I currently have.

    [​IMG] CHA Current
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7
    [​IMG] VOLUNTEER Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] VOLUNTEER Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 6)
    [​IMG] VOLUNTEER Paramedic (Medikit) Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] HIGHLANDER GREY AP HMG, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 34)
    [​IMG] WALLACE Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (0 | 35)
    [​IMG] HIGHLANDER GREY Rifle, 2 Light Shotguns, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 29)
    [​IMG] HIGHLANDER GREY T2 Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, Smoke Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 25)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] UXÍA McNEILL (S.A.S. CP) (CH: Camouflage, Infiltration, Multispectral Visor L1) Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] S.A.S. (Forward Observer) Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] S.A.S. Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] CATERAN T2 Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 24)
    [​IMG] CAMERONIAN 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / AP CCW. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] WULVER T2 Rifle, Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 33)

    2.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  7. Zayneth

    Zayneth New Member

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    after taking everyone's advice into consideration I came up with this. I want flexibility with my core link and I want to keep my sas bodies maxed because I like the models. weaknesses?

    S.A.S.S.Y Ambush(?)
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    GROUP 1 6 / 2
    WALLACE Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (0 | 35)
    UXÍA McNEILL (Covert Action) (CH: Limited Camouflage, Superior Infiltration, Specialist Operative) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Smoke Grenades / 2 Assault Pistols, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 27)
    S.A.S. (Forward Observer) Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 24)
    S.A.S. (Forward Observer) Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 24)
    S.A.S. Chain Rifle, Grenades / Assault Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 22)
    S.A.S. Chain Rifle, Grenades / Assault Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 22)
    CATERAN T2 Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 24)
    CATERAN T2 Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 24)

    GROUP 21
    WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    HIGHLANDER GREY AP HMG, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 34)
    VOLUNTEER HMG / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    VOLUNTEER Light Shotgun, Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 10)
    VOLUNTEER Light Shotgun, Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 10)
    VOLUNTEER Paramedic (Medikit) Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    VOLUNTEER Paramedic (Medikit) Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)

    5 SWC | 298 Points

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  8. Captain927

    Captain927 Shotguns and Scotch Runs.

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    Im far from an expert, but why not include Wallace in your core link? Surely it would be better protection for him than running around alone in Group 1.
     
  9. Zayneth

    Zayneth New Member

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    well I had initially thought linking wally was the best but it was mentioned above that you lose out on his LT order when you do that. I think running him "with" the core link should be as safe as long as their positioning covers the flanks. I had wanted to make sure my order pools allowed my S.A.S. plenty of opportunities to take out threats and do objectives as needed
     
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  10. Captain927

    Captain927 Shotguns and Scotch Runs.

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    Fair explanation. I'll have to look into that further. Thanks for that.
     
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  11. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    Not bad. Too many SAS maybe, but ok.
    The highlander grey is in the Volunteers fireteam? In that case, you have 6 man for a 5 man fireteam.
    Forget about light grenade launchers. They are useless. Drop them to chain+shotgun

    And i miss some impetuous troops, like McMurrough or Galwegians

    what about that?


    [​IMG] S.A.S.S.Y Ambush(?)
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] WALLACE Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (0 | 35)
    [​IMG] UXÍA McNEILL (Covert Action) (CH: Limited Camouflage, Superior Infiltration, Specialist Operative) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Smoke Grenades / 2 Assault Pistols, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 27)
    [​IMG] S.A.S. (Forward Observer) Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] S.A.S. (Forward Observer) Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] CATERAN T2 Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 24)
    [​IMG] CATERAN T2 Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 24)
    [​IMG] S.A.S. Chain Rifle, Grenades / Assault Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] HIGHLANDER Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 6)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] HIGHLANDER GREY AP HMG, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 34)
    [​IMG] VOLUNTEER HMG / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] VOLUNTEER Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 6)
    [​IMG] VOLUNTEER Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 6)
    [​IMG] VOLUNTEER Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] McMURROUGH 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Templar CCW (AP + DA). (0 | 31)
    [​IMG] HIGHLANDER Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 6)

    4 SWC | 299 Points

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    PS: ALWAYS try to have a group with at least 8-9 orders
     
  12. mightymuffin

    mightymuffin Well-Known Member

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    Am always a bit undecided on the light grenade launcher. If I have SWC & points I tend to include one just to force my opponent to avoid grouping their models; you never know if you get that one ARO where you can catch someone else in the blast, and with fireteam bonuses it becomes even more likely you'll hit.

    I always take 'spare' volunteers for my links as at least one always dies, (usually the Grey!), so it's good to have extra to bring the fireteam back up to 5; and if you're luckier/better than me then they just join your cheerleading back-line.

    Have recently been running McMurrough with 3-5 Galwegians in the same combat group as "bodyguards"; they help to clear the way, throw smoke, receive AROs, etc, and then join him for a cheap-and-brutal co-ordinated CC attack.
     
  13. Zayneth

    Zayneth New Member

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    Alright thanks for all the feedback everyone. using information and tips from here I've thrown something together.

    [​IMG] S.A.S.S.Y Ambush(?)
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]5 [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] WALLACE Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (0 | 35)
    [​IMG] UXÍA McNEILL (Covert Action) (CH: Limited Camouflage, Superior Infiltration, Specialist Operative) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Smoke Grenades / 2 Assault Pistols, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 27)
    [​IMG] S.A.S. (Forward Observer) Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] S.A.S. Chain Rifle, Grenades / Assault Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] CATERAN T2 Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 24)
    [​IMG] CATERAN T2 Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 24)
    [​IMG] CAMERONIAN 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / AP CCW. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] CAMERONIAN 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / AP CCW. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] HIGHLANDER GREY AP HMG, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 34)
    [​IMG] VOLUNTEER HMG / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] VOLUNTEER Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 6)
    [​IMG] VOLUNTEER Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 6)
    [​IMG] VOLUNTEER Paramedic (Medikit) Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] VOLUNTEER Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] HIGHLANDER Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 6)
    [​IMG] HIGHLANDER Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 6)

    4 SWC | 300 Points

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    3 specialists seems low but then again I'm new so...lol. thoughts?