About this, I know some people undestand the text in this way, but they are others which makes a serious differentiation between both options. I think because this: Acontecimento REGULARS Core, Special Special Fireteam. Up to 2 Bagh-Maris can join any Fireteam Core of Regulars. Special Fireteam. Up to 1 Orc Troop can join any Fireteam Core of Regulars. Baghmaris and Regulars make one Special Fireteam and not a "regular Regular Core Fireteam", which isn't the same as a REGULARS Core. And that is why some peoplo talks about not include ORCS when Baghmaris. But I can see your point and probably most of the players understand this in this way, so no problem. I really preffer put ORCS and Baghmaris together, of course hehehehe. I will take the REMS groups with a lot of sniffers as a tactic to take in consideration. Really. About the "six member fireteam", I understand the big reason to do it, but in my experience don't work to well. But that is for me. The magic of this are the differents settings options in the list. Not all the peoplo play the same with the same faction. Thanks Gods!!
I think that running a 6th member for your Fireteam Core is essential for any time you are going to: 1: Run an exposed ARO in the Fireteam. or 2: Use the Fireteam as your main combat "point". Remembering that PanOceania has to shoot its way through every in-game situation, we can't afford for our best gun to slip below where it can destroy any ARO threat that we can possibly encounter. Keeping that +3 bonus on your point shooter is essential, if the Fireteam is going to be your first answer.
Probably I'am so used to play with the Guarda de Asalto or Drakios... The first one has the Eclipse (old V-0) and the other has "albedo"... So, the fireteam core isn't my first attack option, only an ARO piece and the shield for my LT. And that is why I don't use so much the six member. But you have right, if you want to use the fireteam to do a solid attack the best is be a five members fireteam. :D
I'm usually pretty reluctant to displace my Acon links. I think there's a lot of value in being able to form up the link with an obvious 5 members, and then potentially put an ORC or Bagh-Mari HMG in a separate area of the table where it can do solo work if necessary, and help to contest additional lanes. Acon links can switch from defense to attack fairly well, but the 4-2 on the Bagh Mari hurts pretty badly there.
The key is that it says "any" Fireteam Core of Regulars, not a "regular Fireteam Core of Regulars. A Special Core Fireteam is still a "Fireteam Core of Regulars". Edit: Look at the Dakini options in OperationS. You aren't limited to taking Devas or CSU into the link and can get quite funky for the same reason. I'm not a Pan-O player, but I should snag some Acon stuff while I can as I have a good base with all my Aleph stuff
This is fundamentally NOT how links work, if you think this you need to re-read IJWs numerous posts on the matter. https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/forming-fireteams-a-summary.3553/
I'm sorry for your loss of the NCA troopers! I kinda glazed over your lists, but I didn't see a Guarda. Am I too stoned to see it?
No, I haven't actually built around the Guarda yet, and I've been having a hard time finding the points to just drop one in. I will build a Guarda based list (and intend to make myself a new Guarda using the old Montessa), but there is not one there.
Yes "Guarda". Is an amazing profile. Not a SwissGuard or an Aquila, but something else. It isn't cheap, but every point of him is worthy. I don't get outside without a Guarda, at least in one of the lists if I'am going into a Tournament. Sometimes comes two of them. One with spitfire and others with Multi. If do you want to see any Guarda configuration we can talk XD hehehehe
Shock Army of Acontecimento──────────────────────────────────────────────────GROUP 1 10 REGULAR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) REGULAR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) REGULAR Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12) REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14) BAGH-MARI (Minelayer) MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28) ORC HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 44) GUARDA DE ASSALTO Spitfire + Heavy Flamethrower, D-Charges + AUXBOT_2 / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 51) AUXBOT_2 Light Shotgun + Eclipse Light Grenade Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 6) TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) MACHINIST (SAA) (CH: Mimetism, Multiterrain) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)GROUP 2 4 1 FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30) NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28) WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3) 6 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army Something like this seems solid.
It looks like you love so much the ORC hehehe. I usually don't play too much REMs or any kind of hackers, bad experiences with both class of profiles. I usually play something like this, if it isn't the Torunament limited insertion. Urobros_X7054_1_Open ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GRUPO 1 3 BAGH-MARI Ametralladora / Pistola, Cuchillo. (1.5 | 26) BAGH-MARI (Fireteam: Haris) Fusil Combi+ Escopeta Lig. / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0.5 | 23) MAQUINISTA (SAA) (CO: Mimetismo, Multiterreno) Fusil Combi, Cargas-D / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 18) GRUPO 2 10 PALBOT Pulso Eléctrico. (0 | 3) GUARDA DE ASSALTO Spitfire + Lanzallamas Pesado, Cargas-D + AUXBOT_2 / Pistola, Cuchillo. (2 | 51) AUXBOT_2 Escopeta Lig. + Lanzagranadas Lig. Eclipse / Pulso Eléctrico. (- | 6) REGULAR (Minador, Sensor) Fusil Combi, Minas Antipersona / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0.5 | 14) BAGH-MARI (Minador) Fusil de Francotirador MULTI, Minas Antipersona / Pistola, Cuchillo. (1.5 | 28) REGULAR Teniente Fusil Combi / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 10) REGULAR Fusil Combi / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 10) REGULAR Fusil Combi / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 10) DART Subfusil, Arco Táctico Viral, Granadas E/M / Pistola, Arma CC Shock, Cuchillo. (0 | 34) NAGA Fusil Combi, Minas Monofilo / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 30) NAGA (Observ. de Artillería) Fusil Combi, Minas Antipersona / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 28) TRAUMA-DOC Fusil Combi / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 14) 6 CAP | 299 Puntos Abrir en Infinity Army
I quite like BS 17 Burst 5 HMGs on a 2-wound platform. Especially one for under 100pts! But don't get me wrong, I do like what you've done here too. I like the forward orientation, but worry about the Fireteam dropping down and then not having the long range firepower necessary to tackle tough enemy positions. I'm also not super clear on how you get good use out of the Haris, alone in a separate group?
Well... Of course shoot to 17s (20 if the target hasn't cover) plus burst +1 is "pure magic" to put down almost anithyng. I like too the idea of one ORC in the regulars fireteam. It is true I will have some serious problems in the "long range game" if the table is really clear, but in well balanced tables this couldn't be a problem. Still I have Dart, the Nagas, one HMG with +1 Burst and a Guarda de Assalto. This IP has Eclipse, so he can easily place itself in the range of the spitfire, and with CD15 do a good job killing the enemy troups. So, I could go closer in most of scenarios and try to put down the "long range shooters". About the haris, has two main funcionalities: first, it offers me a little group which can advance a little into the mid table in order to push some button or make some pressure to the enemy. The baghmari with mimetism + 1Burst can damage most of the ARO pieces with 1 wound and no a really big armour value. And second, I could pass the hmg into the first group, even the three of them, and remade the fireteam if needed. Yes, that means burn all four tokens, but usually is worthy.
I’ve run a list very similar to your dart list and found quite a bit of success with it. I love using dart and a solo bagh mari hmg as the two pieces I spent most of my orders on in turn one. Depending on the mission of course. But those two pieces can take out quite a few of my opponent’s attackers and specialists pretty efficiently and leave a few orders left to grab objectives with the Nagas. Your use of the bagh mari sniper piqued my interest because I usually rely on the regular sniper and two regular sensor/minelayers. Interestingly, a regular sniper+minelayer is 37 points 2 SWC and a vanilla regular plus bagh mari sniper is 38 points and 1.5 SWC. In a SWC starved army, it’s a nece little savings there if I still want two minelayers in my deployment zone. So, thanks for that! Good luck and I’m looking forward to hearing how your theories pan out on the table!
So I finally got to actually run one of these in a game last night. I was throwing down against one of the guys who taught me how to play Infinity, who had brought along his Onyx. We were playing Supplies and the lists were: Core + Haris ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 ORC HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 44) REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14) REGULAR Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12) REGULAR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) REGULAR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) BAGH-MARI (Minelayer) MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28) BAGH-MARI HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 26) BAGH-MARI (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 23) MACHINIST (SAA) (CH: Mimetism, Multiterrain) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18) NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28) GROUP 2 6 NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30) PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army vs: Onyx Contact Force ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 NEXUS Lieutenant (Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16) UNIDRON Plasma Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 24) UNIDRON K1 Combi Rifle + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 17) UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 14) UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 14) MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23) SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) MAAKREP TRACKER MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33) UMBRA LEGATE Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 43) IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9) E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28) GROUP 2 3 ÍMETRON . (0 | 4) Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26) MALIGNOS Hacker (EI Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 41) 6 SWC | 298 Points Open in Infinity Army This was the view from my deployment zone. I threw down the fireteam on the left, with the Sniper behind the barrier, standing, for the long lane and the ORC (to be dropped in) prone on top of the platform. My two Nagas were in position by the left and centre objectives. My Haris took up a position on and around the building on the centre-right. The Pathfinder was on the right, with the Fugazi and Doc scattered across the rear. My first order was to shift the Camo'd Naga out of LOF of the Q-Drone covering the center objective, which missed it's Discover (through woods, against Cover and Camo it was always chancy. The Naga then cracked the objective (taking three attempts) and withdrew, prone to the point where it would become visible to the Q-Drone. Next I stood up the Haris HMG and engage the enemy Q-Drone, through the woods behind the tower building midfield as I needed it to be removed to get the Naga away. I got a lucky crit on the second shot, but the orders were unopposed because we were just outside of 32" (making it -3 range, -3 woods, -3 Mimetism, -3 Cover for the magical -12), making it fairly safe. I then got the package back to my Haris, took it off the Naga, put my HMG back down out of LOF and chucked the Naga back into Camo. Then Group 2 fired up, the Naga was JUST out of range of the Forward Deployed Umbra, he cracked the box (again, taking three attempts) pulled back behind the fireteam and went back into Camo. My opponent then had a run of bad luck, failing to repair the Q-Drone, blowing three Command Tokens and ending with it dead. Not a great run of luck. He stood up his Maakrep and took out the Core linked Bagh-Mari sniper in one order, straight to dead. He advanced his Umbra across the now clear midfield lane to behind the red silo and then dropped a White Noise zone next to it, into the woods. From within this a TO camo marker moved up, past the objective on my right to take cover behind the rock formation. He then moved up his Unidron link, advancing on my left to behind the cube container and left most grey silo. Before Turn 2 I moved the second Naga across from Group 2 into Group 1, replacing the dead Bagh-Mari. Seeing some opportunities to do some damage I reformed the Regular Core to include the ORC and activated it to shuffle over to the edge of the platform and engage the Plasma Sniper Unidron. It proved to be just under 16", but B5 won the day and the Unidron went down. The Naga on the right flank moved into LoF of the Umbra and, after a couple of orders of armour saves, took it out. It then advanced behind the White Noise (which we figured remained in play, even 'though the Umbra was down... that may have been an error) and then engaged the Maakrep. The pool ran dry during the exchange however, with no joy yet. With Group 2 I moved up the Pathfinder and Sensor swept the Malignos, before failing to eliminate the Maakrep in another series of unfruitful exchanges. Dr Worm went to work again, only to balls up once more and kill the Unidron to failures as well. Not a banner day for the Med-Tech Obsidion. The Malignos advanced on the Bagh-Mari Haris member with the supplies pack, but went down to an accurate ARO shotgun blast. The Unidrons tried to muscle their way past the ORC on ARO duty, but lost, went dogged and then lost again. The Maakrep sniped out the Naga who had been harassing him, but it was starting to feel like too little, too late. With the Malignos down, the Fireteam broken, and the Umbra off the table my opponent was feeling pretty down about his chances. I finished things off by finally taking out the Maakrep, at which point we called the game. Overall it was a bit of a "well those dice were arse" situation, with my opponent seemingly catching no luck at all in whole sections of the game. I only pulled two crits in the game, so it wasn't like I was running hot, but he failed SO MANY unopposed roles. The Haris went better than I expected, but a mixture of terrain and the details of the matchup favoured them. They also pulled a little luck when they needed it.
That would have been an error, but not because the Umbra went down. White Noise only persists through the current Player Turn, not Round. Of course if he ARO'd to drop a new WN, then you were correct to leave it in play when the Umbra went down.
Oh, yup! That's the error, we allowed it to persist. Good thing to keep in mind (especially as White Noise is something my ALEPH lets me play with now).
