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Bokhtar speculations

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by Cannon Fodder, Jul 22, 2022.

  1. Diphoration

    Diphoration Well-Known Member
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    Because of this FAQ entry.

    Classic top down design with a FAQ that just applies strict RAW rulings instead of trying to errata in favour of design intent.
     
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  2. vorthain

    vorthain Veteran Novice

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    I see, so the issue applies only to the Parachutist profile, and only for the turn when she enters the game.
     
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  3. QueensGambit

    QueensGambit Chickenbot herder

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    Interesting. There's a lot to like, but it's hard to justify spending 50-57 points on a Red Fury. You need a different big gun for armor, but you've already spent all your points. Hmmm.
     
  4. Brokenwolf

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    I am more interested in the viral rifle profiles. They do work and the possibility of a specialist Lt with heavy armor is very interesting in Haqqislam. She looks like she could do a few of the classifieds.
     
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  5. vorthain

    vorthain Veteran Novice

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    Viral rifle specialist with d charges seems much better than the burst and range granted by red fury.
     
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  6. Ariwch

    Ariwch Tournament benthotic lurker

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    Because now they are death-proof! :joy:
     
  7. sololobo

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    This is ripped from DUNE. Love it. This is why the fluff and logic may be slightly off.
     
  8. Alithear

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    maybe this profile shoudl be reworked for give him a mimetism -6 and a third wound points? Because right now he his a bit too bad ...

    Really dude he have no tactical awareness when he come. And? You will be oblige to don't play him like a glasscanon and it's supose to be a problem? you see the price for the rules and the tactical utility of this piece?

    Maybe you want to be boktharized by kantain?

    For 4 points less you have the Bronze in starmada if you want to trade the profile no problem we can transfer it with pleasure :)
     
  9. Diphoration

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    Compare it to a Mukhtar and it's even more depressing.

    I would've happily paid 10 points to downgrade MSV2 to MSV1 and get AD on a Mukhtar. Would've been a staple for sure.

    But 17 points is way too prohibitive. It might make my second list when I expect my friend to play Ariadna in a tournament, but otherwise I lose too much to have it make a main list.
     
  10. Alithear

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    they are not in the same role.
    there is no mukthar in hassassin right now, bokthar is.
    Mukthar is 1 wound bokthar 2 , mukthar is not Ad bokthar is...
    You can compare other stat if you want but there is not the same role.
    Mukthar is a cheap and very effiscient mid range trading piece.
    Bokthar is an super aggressive AD with a good guns and can be effiscient like a mukthar without using lot of order go going in the middle for the table.
     
  11. Brokenwolf

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    A 6-2 armor 4 two wound specialist with Mimitism-3, BS 13 with MSV 1 is really great for Haqqislam. It also comes with a deadly weapon, Tac Aware, and can link or be an LT. Sure its super expensive, but feels like a good sometimes option that deserves some testing.

    Doctoring is really, really good in N4 and having additional 2w options to revive has been wonderful. This and the changed Namurr feels revolutionary in Haqq as having multi-wound specialists who can shoot has been wonderful. In N3, for me, it was the Jannisary Doctor and in N4, the Asawira doctor took their place. Now we have a more options and variety. I like it!

    Edit: And dodges on a 16 with a 4" move!
     
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  12. Diphoration

    Diphoration Well-Known Member
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    The Mukhtar has NWI+Shock, which is the same as 2W, saying it has 1W is pretty disingenuous (the Bokhtar would be much better with NWI+Shock Immune)
    Both have Redfury
    Both have the same BS
    Both have Mimetism and MSV
    Both have 6-2
    Both get to midfield fast, one with FD one with Parachutist (though not all Bokhtar profiles have Parachutist)

    They're extremely similar, but one of them is ridiculously cheaper.

    It will contest the same slot in a vanilla list, but the Bokhtar is too expensive to win that difference.

    The Bokhtar is excellent, it's just way too pricey for the role. It's 18 points over a Asawira Ap Spitfire. Paying for the Tactical Awareness and not being able to use it on the Parachutist profile is the biggest issue with the profile imo.
     
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  13. Diphoration

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    Trying it out in Firefight tonight vs Aridna, is there is a mission / opponent combo in which it has the opportunity to be worth its point and over perform, it'll be that.

    Had to cut way too many things to fit it though lol.
     
  14. QueensGambit

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    The Mukhtar's FD doesn't work well when going second - the unit is too fragile to survive a reactive turn in the midfield. So I can definitely see the appeal of the Bokhtar RF parachutist. But at 57 points and a wasted tac aware, I can't see myself ever using it.

    I agree with others that the paramedic profiles are more interesting. Don't see myself using them either, though. I guess they just don't suit my playstyle. I already don't use the Asawira doctor even though his excellence is unimpeachable. I don't want to pay an extra 14 points to downgrade to a paramedic.
     
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  15. Diphoration

    Diphoration Well-Known Member
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    So I just came back from my game.

    As expected, the profile is incredibly strong when facing the proper matchup.

    It's very strong versus midfield and cheerleaders, it's very strong in Firefight, it's very strong on certain table setups (such as a bunch of same height tables with a lot of roofs, jumping up to gun cheerleader prones on rooftop). All of these were present in my game, so it was hard for the Bokhtar not to overperform.

    That being said, to fit it in the list I had to give up A LOT.

    I think what makes HB one of the (if not the) strongest faction in the game is that you can fit so many different strategies in your list and that no matter what your opponent will play, you will have the counter for them. You react to your opponent and use the part of your list that best lines up versus them.

    With pricey troopers like the Bokhtar, you have to cut a lot in your list and give up that versatility. You stop being a faction that adapts to the opponent and become more of a faction that imposes their playstyle (like most other factions).

    I think it makes for a very good List 2 that can be tailored for some matchups by cutting into your other stuff (I removed my Nadhir, Barid and Missile bot to fit it, because those are very mediocre vs vanilla Ariadna).

    So my next tournaments will most likely be my standard list as List 1 and a anti-Aridna list as List 2 (assuming I expect my buddy to play Ariadna in the tournament!)
     
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  16. Hecaton

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    It's also worth noting that when we see CB playing they don't use this FAQ. But it's still in there.
     
  17. Hecaton

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    Edgy fluff but aight. Better reason for an all-female unit than the Tian Gou.
     
  18. Diphoration

    Diphoration Well-Known Member
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    Lol. Unfortunately I know the rules, so playing it with Tac Aware would be cheating.

    I wouldn't be surprised if some metas didn't see the errata and accidentally get a trooper that's more appropriately priced. Ignorance is bliss sometimes!
     
  19. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    @Diphoration can you share the list you took for the test game?
     
  20. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Specifically it was the Sphinx coming out of TO and using its Tac Aware order in the same team in a CB battle report they posted a video of. I'd love to see that errata get reversed, but mostly for how much scarier YY drops would be.
     
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